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Working with a score in 3/4 time.

Instead of writing for a whole measure 3 triplets of eighths for a Violin,

I try to write a meaured effect, 3 dotted quarters, each one with the articulation selection #32.

When I have written tle first one and a try to write the second one, the first one is modified.

I'm using 2 ways to do it:

1)Writing note by note, and
2) Copy and Paste

but the result is always the same: the fist one doesn't remain the same.

I aapreciate your always valuable help

FINALE 2012/WINDOWS 7

If you have a 3/4 measure, then you should have 3 quarters, not dotted quarters. Remember, a triplet eighth is the equivalent of a quarter.

Yes, Mike, this is what I thought.
But I'm studying the book:

"A practical handbook: from Piano to Strings", by Josepph Wagner.

On page 22 is a transcription from a sonata by Mozart and he is using it.

Thank you very much for answering

In this measure, each of the dotted quarters is a triplet, 3-eighths in the space of 2-eighths. I hid the number and bracket. Is that what you have in mind?

Yes, it is.

How could I write it, please?

Note: I'm going to assume that there are a number of these in the piece, so we'll make it a default setup. In your simple Entry menu>Simple Entry Options...> uncheck, Check for Extra Notes.)

Enter the dotted quarter, and hit ALT+numberpad 9. This will take you into the tuplet dialogue box. Set it for 3-eighths in the space of 2-eighths, and check Save As Default. OK.

You will be back in the score, and the first dotted quarter will have the 3, and the bracket. Enter the next dotted quarter. Now, you just have to hit the numberpad 9, to make it the triplet. Do it again for the last note.

Select the measure, and Utilities>Change>Tuplets... In the next box, set the number and bracket to Nothing. OK.

Finally, apply the articulation.

If you have a bunch of these with different notes, copy and paste as needed, and use the repitch tool.

Thank you very much, Mike.

Very clear your explanation. Done

Have a nice week

A last question.

I've done for one measure, but when I Copy and Paste, the notes loose the dot. I mean, they are quarters

I'm not sure. It copies fine for me, triplets, articulations, everything.

Check your Filter, to be sure that nothing is being kept out.

If you can't figure it out, post it here, or send a sample to me at wawoodman at aol dot com, and I'll see what I can do.

I went to

Edit Filter/Notes and rests/Tuplets definitions

Curiosly I saw that I cannot check Tuplet definitions.
The other one within Notes and rests (Cross-staff notes) yes, I can can check and uncheck

Maybe this is the reason I cannot copy and paste

Jose,
How did you set up your document? I just used the default document. In the Filter, Tuplet Definitions is selected by default, and I can't change it. I'll look into that, but meanwhile, try setting up something new, and see if there's a difference.

Sorry. I was wrong explaining what I see.

What I see in the Filter is exactly what I see in your image.

I thought TUPLET DEFINITIONS was deselected, because I can,t see its mark as dark as the other ones, but it seems to be selected by default

That's better. But I was told by people on the other forum that it has nothing to do with copying. So, it's a dead end, in any case.

Try setting up a new, single staff default document, and try the triplets in that.

Ok. I'll do it this way.
Thank you very much, Mike

Jose,
I posted your problem on the other forum. Here is a link to what they said:

(You need to replace the word "dot" with a period!)

forum DOT makemusic DOT com/default.aspx?f=6&m=436756

Thank you, mike.
I opened a new score, but without any success

jose oscar wrote:A last question.

I've done for one measure, but when I Copy and Paste, the notes loose the dot. I mean, they are quarters

jose oscar,

My guess is that you are not using Stack Selection.

Try this:

1) Program a Staff Set for the staff with the three dotted quarters (that staff only = a Staff Set with only one staff).
In this example let us call it “Staff Set 1”.

2) While viewing Staff Set 1, (stack-)select the measure with the three dotted quarters, and Copy.
Now the measure should be properly copied, including the tuplets.

3) Similarly, make a Stack Selection of the target measure, and Paste.
The measure should be pasted correctly, including the tuplets.

Thanks, Peter. You explained it much better than I could have done.

Which is the route to program a staff set, please?
How to begin?

jose oscar wrote:Which is the route to program a staff set, please?
How to begin?

Switch to Scroll View, and switch to Staff Tool.
You will see a handle on each staff.

Select the handle(s) of the staff (staves) you want to include in the Staff Set.

Hold down the correct modifier key (perhaps the Alt key - I am not sure), and go to
View menu > Program Staff Set > Staff Set 1

Because you hold down the modifier key, the menu says “Program Staff Set”.

When you release the modifier key, it says “Select Staff Set”, allowing you to select the Staff Set(s) you have programmed.

I don't get it yet, Mike.

"1) Program a Staff Set for the staff with the three dotted quarters (that staff only = a Staff Set with only one staff).
In this example let us call it “Staff Set 1”."

Done

"2) While viewing Staff Set 1, (stack-)select the measure with the three dotted quarters, and Copy.
Now the measure should be properly copied, including the tuplets."

Let's suppose the measure is copied.
I'm supposing that if I selected beats 2 & 3 os measure 1 is all right, too.

"3) Similarly, make a Stack Selection of the target measure, and Paste."

I am lost at this step.
How do I make a Stack Selection of the target measure now(in this case beats 1 & 2 of measure 2)?
What I've got on view is a single staff, let us call it “Staff Set 1"

What a staff set does is to let you specify one or more staves as if they were the whole score. In this case, it's just the violin staff. Omce that's your staff set, you can select a measure stack in that staff. If you are pasting into that same staff, you don"t need anothe staff set. But, if you wanted to paste it into your cello staff, then you would have to set that as another staff set, and make sure you were in that set before pasting.

All of this is because you must select a measure STACK to copy the tuplet definition. So you make a stack with a single staff.

jose oscar wrote:…I'm supposing that if I selected beats 2 & 3 of measure 1 is all right, too…

No, it is not all right.
To make a Stack Selection you must select a measure stack = a (vertical) stack of entire measures.
You can not select a partial measure as a Stack Selection.

The simplest way to make a Stack Selection is to double-click.
Finale shows that the selection is a Stack Selection, by letting the highlighting colour go outside the staves:
above the top staff, and below the bottom staff.

jose oscar wrote:…How do I make a Stack Selection of the target measure now (in this case beats 1 & 2 of measure 2)?…

You can not select a partial measure as a Stack Selection.

I'll try it after holidays, Mike.

Thank you