nonuplet with cross staff notes

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Post by Maria Calisto » Sat May 30, 2015 12:08 am

Hi everyone,
I am working on Lizst's Second Piano Concerto and am having trouble getting the piano part down.

I have to make a nonuplet with a single beam and crossing staves from the right hand staff to the left hand staff, with a cleff change in the middle of the measure. Also the left hand part will coincide with the right at some point and I need to change the stem direction.
It should look like the one in the picture
Image

- I already manage to get the nonuplet part done, but I can't get a single beam to cross it.
-I can't get the G cleff to be in a spot where it doesn't land on top of the rest.
-I can't get the left hand notes to coincide with the right hand in the last part with a stem in a different direction.


I am using finale 2014 for windows
Please HELP!!


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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat May 30, 2015 1:19 am

Welcome to the forum!

I suppose that the time signature is 3/4, right?

Take a look at the attached Finale 2014 document.
It would take me 3 pages of instructions to explain all of the things I did, but you can figure it out.

If you have any questions, let me know.
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Post by Maria Calisto » Sat May 30, 2015 6:28 am

Ok i can't get anywhere near that.
Let me try to break it down.

My measure currently looks like this
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- I can't get the last note of the nonuplet even though I turned off "check for extra notes" How do I do it?
- How do I get the beams to look like yours?

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat May 30, 2015 8:02 am

You have entered the nonuplet incorrectly - there is an 8th rest that should not be there.
And the last notes should be treble clef notes.

1) In the document I attached, I use all four layers.

Try this while viewing my document:
Document menu > Show Active Layer Only
The switch between all four layers.
You just might get a better understanding.


2) The cross-staff notes are entered in the lower staff, in Layer 1.
To get the layout I also entered other tuplets.
But these other tuplets do not display neither number nor bracket:
- Upper staff, Layer 1: nonuplet with the rests (some of the rests hiddden).
- Lower staff, Layer 2: The first two 8th notes, the rests, then the clef change, and the half-note.
- Lower staff, Layer 3: Hidden rests at the beginning of the measure, and the quarter-note c.
- Lower staff, Layer 4: Hidden rests at the beginning of the measure, then the triplet beginning with a hidden 8th rest, and a triplet quarter-note a.

It can also be done with other distributions between the layers.
This is just one way.

Tip:
Enter the cross-staff nonuplet last, not first.
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Post by Maria Calisto » Sat May 30, 2015 8:53 am

UPDATED:

I read through your instructions and I think I understood it more clearly now.
I only have an issue where the other layers are not recognizing the treble cleff: that is, I put it in the second layer and when adding the the c in layer 3 it doesn't stay after the cleff and instead goes before the cleff and changes place in the score.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat May 30, 2015 3:00 pm

Maria Calisto wrote:…I only have an issue where the other layers are not recognizing the treble cleff: that is, I put it in the second layer and when adding the the c in layer 3 it doesn't stay after the cleff and instead goes before the cleff and changes place in the score.
To get the Layer 3 ‘c’ at the correct beat in the measure you must enter rests before the ‘c’, and then hide the rests.
Since there are no tuplets in Layer 3, you can just enter two quarter rests (or one half rest) before the ‘c’.
Then hide the rest(s).
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Post by Maria Calisto » Sun May 31, 2015 5:50 am

I finally managed to get it right!
Thank you so much for all your help. I defenitely couldn't have figured it out by myself. :D

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