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Postby lynndavidnewton » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:22 am

What is the usual procedure for adding sostenuto pedal markings to a piano score?

I have a couple of short passages in which the player must catch a note with the sus. Ped and
let the note ring amidst a flurry of shorter notes.

I'm not deeply concerned about having an accurate playback (though it would be nice).
I'm just looking to see if there's maybe a standard symbol (that's not the standard piano
stylized Ped marking) and maybe add a horizontal like to mark the release or something.
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Postby Michel R E » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:11 am

"sost. ped."

there's no symbol that I know of, only the text.
only be aware that many pianos do not have sost. pedals.
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Re: sostenuto pedal markings

Postby lynndavidnewton » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:38 am

Not man pianists who would be playing this piece would be without a sostenuto pedal.

Thank you very much. I'll live with the make-do. I had to make something up when I wrote it 54 years ago, too.
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Re: sostenuto pedal markings

Postby David Ward » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:37 am

Elaine Gould says something useful about this on pages 336 and 337 of her book Behind Bars.
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Re: sostenuto pedal markings

Postby lynndavidnewton » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:57 am

David Ward wrote:Elaine Gould says something useful about this on pages 336 and 337 of her book Behind Bars.


Thanks. I saw that a couple of days ago as I was looking for something else.
It struck me as surprising. I was hoping that perhaps Finale had a special symbol
or even an articulation with playback.

The piece I'm re-engraving was written when Ms. Gould was in grade school. :-)
(Guessing her age by appearance.)
I've always liked sostenuto pedal and use it myself (I have one on my main piano).

The good news is that the implementation of the solution is simple. Just type
in Sost. Ped. and a horizontal line.

Problem solved. Thank you to responders.
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Re: sostenuto pedal markings

Postby elbsound » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:55 am

There is a dedicated "Sost" and "S" symbol in the SMuFL font standard.

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(From: https://elbsound.studio/catalog-of-musi ... #sostenuto )

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For Finale I'd recommend using the implementation in the Aruvarb font:
https://elbsound.studio/elbsound-music- ... finale.php
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Postby Ere Lievonen » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:44 am

elbsound wrote:There is a dedicated "Sost" and "S" symbol in the SMuFL font standard.

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(From: https://elbsound.studio/catalog-of-musi ... #sostenuto )


I think this symbol has been invented by the makers of SMuFL. I've never ever seen it used in any score ...yet, I suppose...!
I have mixed feelings about the symbol...
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Postby John Ruggero » Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:03 pm

Ere Lievonen wrote:I think this symbol has been invented by the makers of SMuFL. I've never ever seen it used in any score ...yet, I suppose...!
I have mixed feelings about the symbol...


I've never seen it either and don't care for it. Ugly. Ped. has at least some tradition behind it; this seems more like a wannabe.

I have seen a small coda sign used to terminate S. P. or Sost. Ped. and prefer that to a bracket.
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Re: sostenuto pedal markings

Postby Knut » Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:44 am

John Ruggero wrote:
Ere Lievonen wrote:I think this symbol has been invented by the makers of SMuFL. I've never ever seen it used in any score ...yet, I suppose...!
I have mixed feelings about the symbol...


I've never seen it either and don't care for it. Ugly. Ped. has at least some tradition behind it; this seems more like a wannabe.

I have seen a small coda sign used to terminate S. P. or Sost. Ped. and prefer that to a bracket.


Neither have I, but I think the idea is quite good even if the design is flawed.

As Ere points out, this marking was suggested by one of the contributors to SMuFL and agreed upon by the community.

To me, it would be beneficial to have all pedal instructions in the same font style, but it's success would be entirely dependent on cohesive and clear letter designs. Such as it is, in Bravura and it's offshoots, the design of the Sost marking is only a play on the traditional Ped marking, not one totally cohesive subset of the alphabet. This gives the already unfamiliar Sost marking it's slightly faux, 'wannabe' impression that John mentioned.
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Re: sostenuto pedal markings

Postby Ere Lievonen » Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:21 am

Knut wrote:To me, it would be beneficial to have all pedal instructions in the same font style

No. It is most beneficial that the various pedal instructions are in different font styles, so that they can be visually distinguished as easily as possible. It is very good that the good old Ped. (which is the pedal most often used, anyway) looks very different from all other pedal markings. And the already established convention of Sost. Ped. or S.P. (in a normal text font) is quite adequate. The makers of SMuFL didn't create a new symbol for "una corda" (fortunately!), so I don't quite understand the need for this new "Sost.".
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