extending beams over rests for selection only
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I know this can be done globally, but I only want to create extended beams over rests on certain measures (and or selection). Can this be done?
Have looked at JW/TG tools/Finale plug ins and can't find anything
Have looked at JW/TG tools/Finale plug ins and can't find anything
- Peter Thomsen
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It is time consuming, but it can be done.
Are you talking about primary beams (= 8th beams)?
- or secondary beams?
Take a look at the two attached PDF files.
If you have questions, let me know.
Are you talking about primary beams (= 8th beams)?
- or secondary beams?
Take a look at the two attached PDF files.
If you have questions, let me know.
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Thanks Peter, for the comprehenseive instructions! Wil give it a go.Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:41 amIt is time consuming, but it can be done.
Are you talking about primary beams (= 8th beams)?
- or secondary beams?
Take a look at the two attached PDF files.
If you have questions, let me know.
Would be nice to have this as a plug in for future.
- N Grossingink
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Of course, I have no way of knowing the context in which you want to use this beaming. But as far as I know, beaming over rests is a style usually used throughout an engraving. I would be concerned that there might be some confusion introduced for players that get into "beam over rests mode" and suddenly find a different beaming style in place.
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Hi and thanks for the post. I want to use it for a couple of complicated rhythms where it will be clearer for the player. Not sure the rest of the piece would warrent such a treatment, but yes, a valid point.N Grossingink wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 2:04 pmOf course, I have no way of knowing the context in which you want to use this beaming. But as far as I know, beaming over rests is a style usually used throughout an engraving. I would be concerned that there might be some confusion introduced for players that get into "beam over rests mode" and suddenly find a different beaming style in place.
- motet
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It's unclear what you want to do--extend primary (eighth) beams over rests? Secondary (16th and smaller)? Do you want the beam hanging out over a trailing rest, or only rests between notes?
There is a discussion here that may or may not pertain:
viewtopic.php?t=15117
Be sure to read the second page as well.
There is a discussion here that may or may not pertain:
viewtopic.php?t=15117
Be sure to read the second page as well.
Thanks for the link. I'd like to extend the primary beam over the rest. So for an example, if a tuplet where first two notes are written, I'd like the beam to extend over the rest as a hanging (I think that is correct term) beam as In Goulds book pg. 166 picture attached...motet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:34 pmIt's unclear what you want to do--extend primary (eighth) beams over rests? Secondary (16th and smaller)? Do you want the beam hanging out over a trailing rest, or only rests between notes?
There is a discussion here that may or may not pertain:
viewtopic.php?t=15117
Be sure to read the second page as well.
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The "stemlet" can be done, but it's a whole lot of trouble. Here there's actually a blank notehead where the stemlet is (an E). The eighth rest is supplied in layer 2 with others hidden beneath the first two notes. Probably not worth it!
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- Peter Thomsen
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It can be done in this way:
Then, proceed as before, to get the layout without the notehead, but with the 8th rest.
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- motet
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That's what I did above, changing the notehead to a blank and putting the rest in another layer. But with a rest as the notehead, you're constrained where you want the rest to appear vertically.
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Not true.
In the dialog box Notehead Settings there is an option for for {Allow Vertical Positioning}.
By default this option is not selected.
When you use this option it is useful to know that
1 scale step = 3pt
The stem length will not change as you move the notehead vertically.
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- motet
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Ah, very good.
Or you can use "s" (spaces) as a suffix.Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:28 amWhen you use this option it is useful to know that
1 scale step = 3pt
I have found that a satisfactory work around is to create a time signature for those relevant bars so that the rhythmic grouping automatically beams notes across the rests. e.g. in 7/8 time, I needed to beam together the first 3, then the last 3 eighth-notes across a res. So I made a composite time signature of 1-1536 + 1-2048 [still showing a time signature of 7/8]. It's easy to unbeam anything in other part. Simple but effective!
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Indeed the Time Signature Tool is a very powerful tool.
You can also make the “real” time signature without using EDUs for Beat Duration:
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