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Post by tognaco » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:35 am

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The last page of my score is very strnage, since the music is much smaller than in the others. I've tried everything with the layout tools, but nothing seems to work. I enclose a screenshot of the problem:

Thanks in advance.


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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun Apr 06, 2014 2:56 pm

Welcome to the forum!

Your problem is well known.
When creating/formatting new pages, Finale uses the format settings in
Document menu > Page Format > Score…
(Obviously the settings in “Page Format for Score” are document specific, not program specific)

In your document’s “Page Format for Score” the settings obviously have not been updated with the layout you are using in your document.

You can correct the settings “manually”, one by one.

But there is a faster way to update all the settings “in one go”:

1) Page Layout Tool.
Page Layout menu > Update Page Format for Score
Make sure that “Update Page Format for Score ” is selected.
(This “Update …” setting is program specific, not document specific)

2) With “Update Page Format for Score” selected, go to one of the previous score pages (that are formatted as they should be), select one of the systems, and go to
Page Layout menu > Systems > Edit Margins…
(You can also get there via the context menu)
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3) Change one of the margins to something else, and then change it back (not via Undo!).
An example:
In the attached screen shot you can see that the Right margin is zero.
You could change it to something else, and then change it back to zero.

4) Close the dialog box Edit System Margins to return to the score.

5) If you now go to
Document menu > Page Format > Score…
you will see that the Page Format settings have been updated.

6) You will not see any change in the score layout - yet!
To redefine score pages with the updated Page Format settings, use
Page Layout menu > Redefine Pages > …
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Post by tognaco » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:45 am

In the first place, thank you very much for your help. After doing everything you propose, what I get is the whole score like the last and strange page, when I want exactly the opposite: the las page like the remaining ones. DO you have any other suggestion for fixing the problem?

Thanks again.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:50 am

From your description it sounds like you did not manage to alter the settings i “Page Format for Score”.

1) Did you look at the Page Format settings before and after you tried the trick with
{changing one of the system margins, and changing that margin back again}?
Did you see a change in the settings after the system margin trick?

2) What version of Finale are you using? - 2014?
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Post by tognaco » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:29 pm

Yes, of course I did everything you suggested in your first post, but nothing changed. I have checked the magin settings in the "strange" system and they are exactly the same than in the other systems. Only that everything is much smaller...

I am using Finale 2012 for Mac.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:52 pm

tognaco wrote:…I have checked the margin settings in the "strange" system and they are exactly the same than in the other systems. Only that everything is much smaller…
1) If the systems margins are the same, then the culprit must be a scaling.
There must be a different scaling on the last page.

3 possible culprits:
- Page Scaling
- System Scaling
- Staff Scaling

Since a Redefine Pages makes the whole score look like the last page, the culprit scaling must be present in “Page Format for Score”.
We can rule out Staff Scaling, since Staff Scaling is not included in “Page Format for Score”.
(Staff Scaling is supposed to be used in a multistaff score, for scaling a single staff different than the other staves)

By examining the last page and the previous pages on Page Scaling and System Scaling you should be able to pinpoint the culprit.


2) To do so:
Resize Tool (icon: %).
Context-click inside a staff.
In the context menu you have all the resize options, including “Resize Page…” and “Resize System…”.

A word about “Resize System…”:
System Scaling has two components:
- Staff Height
- System Resizing Percentage
A staff height of 24 Points = 100 % staff sizing.


3) If everything else fails, attach a (small) Finale .mus sample document here.
You can reduce the document’s size by clearing out all the notes.
We only need to see the empty measures.

Before you can attach a .mus document in this forum, you must compress it, e. g. as a .zip file.
And the file size must not be more than max. 100 KB.
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Post by tognaco » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:23 pm

Thank you very much for your help. I could fix the problem by increasing the system size to 275%. Now it looks perfect :)

Thank you very much again.

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Post by Koben » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:04 am

Hi,

I've got exactly the same problem with my few last pages, the only difference being they're much bigger instead of smaller.
I could also fix the problem with downscaling my page to 25%, but then my header is scaled down to 25% as well,
so this halfway solution doesn't actually solve anything for me.

I would like to know what is at the root of this strange phenomenon.

Anyone any ideas?

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Post by miker » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:12 am

The root of the problem is that Finale refuses to change things, so that new pages automatically follow the formatting of the earlier pages. I, for one, have not once, never, ever, wanted following pages to be different, but evidently that’s just me...

Rather than adjusting the Page scaling, adjust the system scaling. That should leave the page-attached text, alone.
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Post by BuonTempi » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:53 pm

miker wrote:new pages automatically follow the formatting of the earlier pages.
Au contraire: New pages follow the formatting settings in Page Format. They do NOT follow whatever the previous page happened to be.

Set the values you want in Page Format, and Redefine All Pages. That will fix everything (assuming you have the correct settings!), including future pages.

I concur that you should leave the Page Scaling at 100%, and adjust either the Staff Height or the System Scaling. But not both.

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Post by miker » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:17 pm

BuonTempi wrote:
miker wrote:new pages automatically follow the formatting of the earlier pages.
Au contraire: New pages follow the formatting settings in Page Format. They do NOT follow whatever the previous page happened to be.
BT,
What I meant was that the new pages don't follow the old ones, and I think they should.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:03 pm

miker wrote:… What I meant was that the new pages don't follow the old ones, and I think they should.
If I understand you correctly, the scenario is like this:
You create a new document, and enter music.
Since the template’s default page formatting does not suit your needs for the current document, you change the page layout on the already existing pages, right?
And you would prefer that all new pages in the document follow the formatting of the “old” pages, right?

In that case, switch to the Page Layout Tool, and select
Page Layout menu > Update Page Format for Score

This means that the settings in Page Format for Score will be automatically updated as you change the formatting of already existing pages.

NB:
The setting “Update Page Format for Score” is program specific, not document specific.
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Post by miker » Tue Jun 05, 2018 9:11 pm

No, Peter. What I mean, and what I want, is: I start an new document. Maybe from a template, maybe from the wizard. I start entering my music, and I’m just fine with the scaling, margins, etc.

No matter how many pages, I want it to stay the same. Why would I ever want to change that mid-stream?
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Jun 06, 2018 6:55 am

miker wrote:… I start an new document. Maybe from a template, maybe from the wizard. I start entering my music, and I’m just fine with the scaling, margins, etc.

No matter how many pages, I want it to stay the same. Why would I ever want to change that mid-stream?
In that case the culprit is in the template you use to create the new document.
In that template there must be a discrepancy between the settings in Page Format for Score and the formatting of the already existing pages.

To fix the template, run the command Redefine Pages (in the Page Layout menu).
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