One layer, two staves

[rdezell]

I've scoured Google and the Forum and can't find this. Maybe my terminology is wrong. I need to enter notes for *one layer* but divided between two staves. (It's a handbell score, and in handbell music, a given pitch is always notated on the same staff (Middle C and below on the bottom staff, everything above Middle C on the upper staff. Yes, there is an exception, but it doesn't apply here.) It's a pattern of 4 16th notes. The first and last are on the upper staff; the middle 2 are on the lower staff. I enter the first note (upper staff). Then, when I click to add the second note (bottom staff), Finale fills in the rest of the upper staff with rests. I also have to have the beam go across those 4 16th notes (so in the space between staves).

I hope this is clear. I've included an image of one group. (Only the inner-voice 16th notes are in question.)



Thanks.
(version 2012 PC)

[miker]

Look for Cross-staff Notation in the help files.

[rdezell]

Fantastic! Tedious, but it works great. Thanks.

[rdezell]

Well, almost. As you can see in the image below, there are some missing stems. They're quite obvious on the first and third notes of beat 2, but, if you look carefully, even the stems that *do* come down to the bass clef are not complete; they come only to the highest note. (There is a difference: The first and third notes of beat two have stems to both clefs, the others only to the bass clef.

Is there any way to get those stems filled in?

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[miker]

I did it twice, once with the plug-in, and once, manually. Both results were fine, and identical. (Except for the stemless C and B. Where are they supposed to go?)

Can you describe EXACTLY what you are doing?

[Peter Thomsen]

rdezell,

Take a look at the attached Finale 2012 document.
It shows the solution of a problem similar to yours.

[rdezell]

Thanks. With the Beam Adjustment Tool I was able to pull the stems down to the C and B. However, I couldn't extend the triad stems.

[rdezell]

(Replying to miker -- I don't see a way to reply to a specific post)

Just to make it easier, I'll talk about just one group of 4 16th notes. First, I entered all notes in layer 2 in the treble clef (even though some are obviously several ledger lines below the treble clef). Then I used the Note Mover Tool, the Cross Staff menu item, to pull some of those notes into the bass clef. Then I used the Beam Angle Tool under Special Tools to move the beam into the space between the staves. All worked fine except for the short stems. Then (based on Peter's suggestion) I was able to use the Beam Stem Adjustment Tool to pull the stems down on the C and B in beat 2, but couldn't do the same thing on the triads. (The handles are in different places in relation to the notes themselves. In the case of the C and B, the handles were on the B and C. On the other stems, the handles are up on the beam, at the base of the stem. Pulling the handle down detaches the stem from the beam.)

I hope I'm explaining it all in a sensible way. If not, please ask me more questions.

Thanks for the help!!

[Peter Thomsen]

rdezell,

Take a look at the attached Finale 2012 document.
It gives step-by-step instructions.

NB:
This is advanced stuff - definitely not for “Finale Beginners”.

[rdezell]

Thanks. I looked at the document and believe I followed the instructions exactly. I still had those minor problems with stems.

[Peter Thomsen]

Thanks. I looked at the document and believe I followed the instructions exactly. I still had those minor problems with stems.

Did you use the Cross Staff plug-in?

It is my guess that you should flip the stem direction (I mean the stem direction up/down), and then adjust the stem length (with the Beam Angle Tool - use the left handle to adjust stem length).
When you have flipped the stem direction, you should be able to extend the stem to the notehead with the Beam Stem Adjust Tool.


To flip the stem direction in a beam group:

From the Simple Entry Tool or Speedy Entry Tool go to the first note in the beam group.

In the Simple Entry Tool the path goes like this:
Simple menu > Simple Edit Commands > Modify Entry > Flip Stem

In the Speedy Entry Tool the path goes like this:
Speedy menu > Speedy Edit Commands > Flip Stem Direction

Note - By The Way - the keyboard shortcut for Flip Stem:
the letter L key.


If everything else fails, attach a (small) Finale 2012 .mus sample document here.

Before you can attach a .mus document in this forum, you must compress it, e. g. as a .zip file.
And the file size must not be more than max. 100 KB.