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Post by NickG » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:08 pm

When I go into Symbols and select one, I see the section below that says "Maestro font" and below that a box containing a character (in my case a "∫") then to the right I see "Integral (U+228) Is this something I can type on the keyboard to produce the Maestro character? If so, How do I type it.
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Post by miker » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:32 pm

Nick,
Give me a little more detail on exactly what you're doing. I'm sure we can figure it out!

Where are you going into Symbols? As a text insert?
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Post by miker » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:40 pm

Nick,
I've just sent you a PM.
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Post by motet » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:41 pm

The general question is how do you enter Unicode characters (228 in this case) on the Mac?

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Post by NickG » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:47 pm

miker wrote:Nick,
I've just sent you a PM.
motet just described what I was looking for. How to enter Unicode charter 228 on the Mac keyboard.
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Post by motet » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:51 pm

What's an integral sign doing in the Maestro font, I wonder. I know that mid-20th-century academic music was often mathematically sterile...

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Post by BuonTempi » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:53 pm

Yes, you can do it on the Mac. There are two steps.

1. In System Preferences > Input Sources, click on the + icon to add "Unicode Hex Input" from the list of keyboard layouts. This will now be an option in the "menulet" at the top right of the screen. (The other option should be your usual keyboard layout.)

When you want to select a Unicode character, switch to the Unicode Hex Input layout. With this active, hold down ALT (otherwise known as Option) and type the numbers (include the leading zero in your example 0228).

However, it's probably much easier to use a graphical character chooser, like Finale's Insert Symbol, or PopChar (third-party), or Apple's "Show Emoji and Symbols" (also under the keyboard menulet). Furthermore, when I enter that Unicode in a text font, I get Ȩ, which you should be able to select just by holding down the capital letter E and choosing option 7.
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Post by motet » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:57 pm

BuonTempi wrote:..click on the + icon to add "Unicode Hex Input" from the list of keyboard layouts...
228 is not a hexadecimal number in this case, though. Is there "add Unicode decimal input"?

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Post by BuonTempi » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:00 pm

Yes, it is. The OP was mistaken: it's not 228, but 222B. And in fact you can type the integral symbol with Option B.
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Post by NickG » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:07 pm

BuonTempi wrote:Yes, you can do it on the Mac. There are two steps.

1. In System Preferences > Input Sources, click on the + icon to add "Unicode Hex Input" from the list of keyboard layouts. This will now be an option in the "menulet" at the top right of the screen. (The other option should be your usual keyboard layout.)

When you want to select a Unicode character, switch to the Unicode Hex Input layout. With this active, hold down ALT (otherwise known as Option) and type the numbers (include the leading zero in your example 0228).

However, it's probably much easier to use a graphical character chooser, like Finale's Insert Symbol, or PopChar (third-party), or Apple's "Show Emoji and Symbols" (also under the keyboard menulet). Furthermore, when I enter that Unicode in a text font, I get Ȩ, which you should be able to select just by holding down the capital letter E and choosing option 7.
Thank you. I knew there was a way but I was confused as to how it's done.
Thanks again.
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Post by miker » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:27 pm

PopChar, as much as I love it, failed in this case. For some reason (at least on my system) it isn't pasting in characters correctly from anything except the Basic Latin group.

Still, I was able to solve the problem of the double flat trill. On a finale doc, I chose the text tool and used Insert>Symbol to place a double flat (no shortcut available.) I selected and copied it.

I went to the Smart Line editor, and duplicated the trill flat smart line. Edit, delete the single flat, paste the double flat. I also added 10 evpu space after the text.

Result:
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Post by NickG » Sun Jan 08, 2017 7:23 pm

miker wrote:PopChar, as much as I love it, failed in this case. For some reason (at least on my system) it isn't pasting in characters correctly from anything except the Basic Latin group.

Still, I was able to solve the problem of the double flat trill. On a finale doc, I chose the text tool and used Insert>Symbol to place a double flat (no shortcut available.) I selected and copied it.

I went to the Smart Line editor, and duplicated the trill flat smart line. Edit, delete the single flat, paste the double flat. I also added 10 evpu space after the text.

Result:
Great. The only difference between yours and mine is that my bb were on top.
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