Rests in linked part with split measure in score

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Post by David Ward » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:32 pm

What is the best way to avoid 'real' rests in bars rest in linked parts when there is a split measure in the score? (see the screenshots - note the last bar shown in the extract from the linked cello part and also the split measure in the score). [Work in progress.]
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:35 pm

David Ward wrote:What is the best way to avoid 'real' rests in bars rest in linked parts when there is a split measure in the score? …[Work in progress.]
I would hide the rests with a staff style in the linked part.

If the rests are ‘default’ whole rests, de-select “Display Rests in Empty Measures”.

If the rests are ‘real’ whole rests, de-select “Rests” in the pane Items to Display.
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Post by Gareth Green » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:08 pm

I haven't tried this to see if it works, but my instinct would be to add the minim (half-note) rests in a different layer (as I can't see that would make any visual difference to your score), and then use a staff style in the part only to hide the layer concerned. I'm sure there is an option in the staff style set-up to display a whole rest, but I can't remember for sure.
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Post by David Ward » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:55 pm

Thank you for the suggestions.

So far, no matter what I try, I get this:

I can delete the minim (half) rests, which then gives me two whole empty bar rests. One can be hidden in the part, but I can't move the other to a central position (it displays as if two bars without the barline).

I can apply staff styles, change layers &c &c, but I cannot get this to behave like a single empty bar in the part. Nor (even with the whole empty bar rests, as opposed to 'real' rests) can I find any way to include this split measure as part of a group of multimeasure rests (I was just experimenting to see what happened when I created multimeasure rests for the section, I can cope if it's not included when the time comes).

So far it looks as if I'm stuck with the two minim rests for bar 197 in the parts as well as the score, plus non-inclusion of this bar in any potential group of multimeasure rests.

Might there be a completely different way of creating the split measure? Perhaps JW conceal barlines in conjunction with hidden time signature changes to 2/4 for two bars and then back to 4/4? I haven't tried that yet, and can't remember what happens to rests in parts when it's used.
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Post by David Ward » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:21 pm

I've just tried the JW plug-in. It does seem to produce a better result than the split-measure plug-in. I can get it to look OK in the part by having blank notation in the second phoney 2/4 bar for the part only and then dragging the measure handle (part only). The score has whole empty bar rests on both systems of the split measure (but I don't think that will cause confusion). Inclusion in multimeasure rests is still not possible, but that doesn't bother me too much in this case.
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Post by Gareth Green » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:34 pm

This works for me:

Go to the Vc. part.
select the measure in question; use "move/copy layers" to move the two minim rests into layer 4
using the staff tool, and making sure you select "Apply staff style to current/score/part", apply the style "Blank Notation With Rests: Layer 4" to the measure.
The two minim rests will disappear (they will still be there in the score) and be replaced by a default whole rest. This measure can now be incorporated into Multimeasure rests as normal.

If this doesn't work for you, there must be something else going on that I'm not aware of. I use this technique all the time when working with full scores which have two parts on one stave, and where I am using voiced/linked parts to create separate instrumental parts from the one stave. I use this exact technique to create MM rests in one part whilst the other part is "solo". (Note, the staff style can easily be adapted to work with layer 2 instead of layer 4)
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Post by zuill » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:41 pm

If this was really only one measure split the old fashioned way (not 2 measures to look as one), then that would work. But, since these are 2 real measures to look as one, then options are limited.

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P.S.: The way I would handle this is to delete the rests in the parts that need a MM rest. Then the MM rest should work. It will show as 1 bar higher than it should be, as it counts the extra bar. You can move the number off the page and use an expression that shows the needed number. Then create a staff style to hide the real rests in those bars in the score. Lastly, use an expression for a whole rests for those bars. Be sure to disable the feature to update MM rests automatically.
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Post by Gareth Green » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:02 pm

OK, got it now. I've never had to split a measure over two systems, so it didn't dawn on me that it would have to be two measures ...
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Post by zuill » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:06 pm

I need to add a bit more. Since the score will still need the 2 half rests shown, as the parts will all be split in the score, you can use the same expression for those in the score. If the bar is not in a given part, just hide those in that part, and show the expression positioned as a whole re4st in that part.

Complicated? Yes. But, gets the job done.

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P.S.: These picture show a simple picture of what I did.
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Post by David Ward » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:14 pm

Thank you Zuill. I'll do what you suggest before the final layout of score and parts, but for now will leave it with the JW result which I outlined above.
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Post by zuill » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:23 pm

Since I am not exactly sure what you are doing with the JW plugin, I can't say how successful that will be. The built-in plugin seems to be the best way to do it for my money. It automates everything. There are fewer steps.

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