Fugue 5 JSBach m. 3

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Post by jose oscar » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:34 pm

I saw 4 differnt editions of Fugue n. 5 in D Major, by JS Bach, and all of them have the same notation.

I am trying to do an exercise of Orchestration for Strings and notate measure 3.

The notation of the beat of Left Hand 1 m. 3 surprises me.

When I finally write unchecking Checking for extra notes on Simple/ Simple Entry Options , I never get to make coincide the beginning of beats 2, 3 and 4 of Left and Right hands.

So the playback is not the wanted one.

How could I get get them coincide?




Appreciate your help



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Post by motet » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:49 pm

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Post by motet » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:58 pm

I guess you mean measure 3, which is indeed unusual. The dot is equivalent to a 32nd note, so it's like an eighth tied to a thirty-second. For your purposes, I would just rewrite it like this:
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Post by miker » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:27 am

If you have a dotted eighth, wouldn't the dot be equivalent to a 16th, not a 32nd?
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Post by motet » Fri Feb 17, 2017 12:31 am

That is indeed the issue. This is a baroque notation, and not the only one you'll find in Bach at odds with modern notation.

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Post by zuill » Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:02 am

So, to get proper playback, one would need to make an unusual tuplet of the dotted eighth. Make it 1 Dotted 8th in place of 5 32nds. Have no number and no shape, as you don't want anything to show. It will look as the original and also line up in playback. Also, you won't need to overfill the measure.

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Post by jose oscar » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:29 pm

motet wrote:I guess you mean measure 3, which is indeed unusual. The dot is equivalent to a 32nd note, so it's like an eighth tied to a thirty-second. For your purposes, I would just rewrite it like this:
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Thank you, motet,

I was wrong. It's m. 3 , I've just edited my post
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Post by jose oscar » Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:33 pm

zuill wrote:So, to get proper playback, one would need to make an unusual tuplet of the dotted eighth. Make it 1 Dotted 8th in place of 5 32nds. Have no number and no shape, as you don't want anything to show. It will look as the original and also line up in playback. Also, you won't need to overfill the measure.

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Thank you very much, zuill and the other ones,

That's the solution I was looking for on m. 3, the one of your attached document
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Post by zuill » Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:19 pm

I didn't do anything with measure 4. My changes were in measure 3.

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Post by jose oscar » Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:08 pm

Thanks, zuill,
I forgot to edit my last post as well, changing the number of the measure. Already done

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