Notes over the middle of the bar

[BuonTempi]

Is there a setting somewhere to stop Finale splitting and tying notes that span the middle of the bar?

Even when I make a time signature of 1 Breve, Finale still splits the bar in half. I can't see anything in Quantization or Doc Opts.

[motet]

A specific example of what you're talking about and when exactly it happens?

[zuill]

I posted a suggestion and it seems to have disappeared.

If you are in 4/4 and want the quarter to bridge the middle of the bar, make the TS to be .5+3+.5/4 to look as 4/4. Then rebar. This should get the desired result. Maybe you are entering with Hyperscribe and getting this result. My suggestion should give proper results. Then, when done, change to normal 4/4, but don't retranscribe or rebar, or the notation may revert to the tied note over the mid-point.

Zuill

[BuonTempi]

A specific example of what you're talking about and when exactly it happens?

E.g a Half note on beat 2 of a 4/4 bar will be rebarred as two tied quarters.

[zuill]

I don't get that behavior with a half changing to two tied quarters. I do with a quarter changing to 2 tied eighths. Thus my suggestion.

Zuill

[MikeHalloran]

Ok, I get what you want. Bassists want 4/4 Latin parts to be dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter and not have tied notes cluttering up their charts. Same thing. Annoying that Finale won't just let you do it unlike Encore or Overture.

There's a setting that lets you do this but I forget where it is. I've not done one of these in Finale in years. I'll put my thinking cap on. Perhaps someone else will remember first.

[motet]

I'm still confused--Finale leaves alone whatever I enter, Speedy or Simple entry. When is such rebarring occurring.?

[zuill]

If you enter dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter, Finale leaves it that way, at least for me. So, like Motet says, what is causing the change? I don't have an issue.

Zuill

[motet]

I don't get that behavior with a half changing to two tied quarters. I do with a quarter changing to 2 tied eighths.

When do you get that? Hyperscribe? Rebar function? I'm baffled.

[zuill]

Both retranscribe and rebar leaves the half alone, but changes the quarter to 2 8ths.

Zuill

[David Ward]

I don't get that behavior with a half changing to two tied quarters. I do with a quarter changing to 2 tied eighths.

When do you get that? Hyperscribe? Rebar function? I'm baffled.

I've often seemed to get this when copying and pasting from one place to another, so I then have to use Jari's plug-in (or other means) to restore my notation in the pasted section.

[motet]

I've often seemed to get this when copying and pasting from one place to another, so I then have to use Jari's plug-in (or other means) to restore my notation in the pasted section.

I don't get that copying and pasting the measures shown below, and have never had this happen. Perhaps it's partial-measure paste? I guess I don't use that.

I do get it with Retranscribe and Rebar, but aren't those for unusual situations where you've changed your mind and want to switch from 2/4 to 4/4 or somesuch? I've never used either in 12 years, so I guess I don't really know what they're for. Perhaps the O.P. is importing MIDI files?

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[motet]

I tried setting the time signature to 16/16 and rebar then left the notation alone. Retranscribe actually has a bug--it threw in an extra sixteenth note at the end of the bar. I would say that's thus a function to be avoided, but again, I don't really know what it's for.

So BuonTempi, what are you doing and why?

[zuill]

Attached is what I get.

Zuill

[motet]

Right, but please tell me what Rebar and Retranscribe are for.

[zuill]

Retranscribe is good for cleaning up rhythms from an imported MIDI file or a Hyperscribe session. I know there are other uses. Rebar is useful for several situations. One is when changing meter. Particularly, converting from Cut to Common time. Doubling or halving the meter uses rebar. Anyway, if there is a way to preserve certain aspects of the notation style needed, that is useful. My workaround works for some rhythms. One must be creative and put some thought behind any operation. It's nice when Finale has features that help in that.

Zuill

[motet]

Thanks for the info. I never do either of those things, so that explains my bafflement. For normal use this is not an issue.

As I said, setting the time signature temporarily to 16/16 (or 32/32, whatever the smallest note value is) will solve the rebar problem. Retranscribe however has a bug if you do that, as I say, at least with Finale 2014.5.

[BuonTempi]

Rebar is more useful as it will do similar to Retranscribe, but without deleting lyrics and everything else.

Yes, I changed the meter of an entire piece, from 2/2 to 4/2 (essentially just removing every other barline). Finale rebars the music according to the time sig, and as with beaming, you get different tie-and-split results for syncopations throughout the measure using a TS of 4/2, 2/1, or even 1/... err...0.5. But even with 1 breve as the TS, Finale still insists on splitting notes across the middle of the bar. I'd be surprised if using 16s would work, without causing other problems to beaming.

However, it's not crucial, but a passing observation in something I was messing with. I might go back to it in a bit. I hoped I had forgotten a setting somewhere.

[motet]

A breve is a double whole note, by the way.

Yes, going from 4/2 to 2/1 is going the wrong direction in terms of achieving what you want. You might try 32/16; if it messes with beaming, that's a lot easier to deal with (e.g., "rebeam to time signature") than notes being broken apart.