Senza misura presentation in Finale

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Post by Artee2 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:13 pm

I need to use Finale to engrave a piece with senza misura. Please see attachment.
There are some feature that I don't know how to replicate:
1. Eliminate time signature in some staves.
2. Positioning the different parts on their staff as seen in the attachment.
3. Using one long arrow instead of the standard 5-line as seen in the attachment.
4. Enclosing some areas in a measure with a box lines.
5. Eliminate stems of some notes.
6. Display a staff partially the width of the system

There may be more issues I have not noticed yet, so if you find them please enlighten me.

Thanks,
Ruben

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Post by motet » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:33 pm

Most of these can be achieved with staff styles, but it's kind of a tall order to describe in one post. Perhaps you can explore and then ask questions about what you can't figure out. For the senza misura aspect, you would count of the number of beats (perhaps 14/4 for the example), use that time signature and hide, and achieve vertical alignment by inserting hidden rests. The arrows can be made as smart shapes. I personally don't know how to make the boxes, but I suspect it can be done.

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Post by RMK » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:41 pm

To make adjustable boxes one needs to use the dreaded shape designer. Make sure you assign the shape to a shortcut key so they remain individually adjustable.

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Post by David Ward » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:37 pm

RMK wrote:To make adjustable boxes one needs to use the dreaded shape designer. Make sure you assign the shape to a shortcut key so they remain individually adjustable.
You can also use the text tool. Use an adjustable rectangular enclosure and don't type any text (or type relevant instructions if appropriate). I've used this method in a recent piece of mine. (See the screenshot.)

I've just got back printed copies from the publisher. There were complications with the parts specifically because of the reduced sized staves in the score, but having a separate file for the parts got round that. That problem doesn't arise if all staves are the same size.
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Post by motet » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:41 pm

I thought of that, but didn't see how to make an enclosure. Is this the mysterious "custom frame," or is it something more obvious?

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Post by David Ward » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:14 pm

motet wrote:… Is this the mysterious "custom frame," or is it something more obvious?
No, 'standard frame.' You do have to type something into it, but then you can hide the text and keep the frame.
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Post by motet » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:29 pm

Ah, got it. It seems a little odd, but certainly workable.

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Post by zuill » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:16 am

I just type a space (no hiding to do). Make sure you make the Text block attached to the measure, by the way, not the page.

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Post by N Grossingink » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:57 pm

motet wrote:I thought of that, but didn't see how to make an enclosure. Is this the mysterious "custom frame," or is it something more obvious?
If there is no text in the enclosure, I would make a rectangular shape in the Shape Designer. Any size will do. Enter the shape using a Metatool, so that resizing it will only affect that one shape. Double click the handle and use the handles that appear on all the sides to resize the shape to fit.

It would be nice if the Smart Shape Tool would have a Rectangle shape, maybe an Circle/Oval Shape as well.

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