Triplets within a triplet please

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Post by BOLA[ » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:57 am

Hi,

I am trying to reproduce a triplet inside a triplet shown in the attachment.

Please, any advise is very much appreciated. If possible, please explain in Speed Entry and Simple Entry.

I have read several threads but no success.

The music is in 3/4. The attachment shows all the notes that fit into ONE QUARTER NOTE.

In the space of 'one' quarter note I need to enter:
Two groups of 'three' 16th notes, each with a "3" bracket under each group of three 16ths PLUS one group of 'four 32nds'

On top, a "3" bracket encompasses all 'ten notes' - to explain that A 'three' 8th note triplet is in the space of TWO 8th notes - ALL IN THE SPACE OF A QUARTER.

Thanks much!!! :?

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Post by motet » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:21 am

The easiest way may be to use the tuplet tool. Enter the two sixteen-note triplets and the four 32nds, then switch to the tuplet tool, double-click on the first note, and pick three eighths in the space of two, which will create the surrounding triplet. You may have to turn off "check for extra notes" in Simple Entry. After you do this, it will be hard to tell the 3's apart, but experiment with flipping each one and you'll get it like you want.
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Post by motet » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:29 am

It can be done in Speedy:
  • The outer tuplet is three eighths in the space of two. Type Ctrl-3 and enter any old eighth note.
  • Move the cursor back over the eighth with left-arrow. Make sure "Insert note or rest" is off.
  • Type Ctrl-3 again for the inner sixteenth triplet and enter the three sixteenths, replacing the eighth.
  • Type Ctrl-3 and enter the next sixteenth triplet.
  • Enter the four thirty-second notes or final triplet.

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Post by BOLA[ » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:42 pm

Excellent! Thanks Motet, I tried in Speedy and it worked very well. I will explore Simple.

Thanks again!

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Post by motet » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:58 pm

Speedy will let you nest them at least six deep:
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Post by motet » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:12 pm

Eight deep (who says Finale isn't great?):
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Post by kukes » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:56 am

Tripletception

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Post by motet » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:19 am

I'll stop now.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:03 pm

BOLA[

I would break the secondary beam after the second “inside” triplet:
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