can't add a tie

[wildething]

Hi, I started using Finale 2014 on windows just recently and I've run into an issue when I tried to add a tie. Clicking on the note and pressing either Shift T or = did nothing. Neither did - on speedy entry. I also tried finding it on the palette and it wasn't there. I looked up on youtube how to add a tie and everyone seemed to have it on the palette by my palette doesn't have a tie. Maybe some sort of glitch?

[BuonTempi]

In Simple Entry, it should be just T to tie from the current note to the next one. Shift T ties from the current note backwards to the previous one.
On the numpad, it's \

[Bill Stevens]

Make sure that both notes are in the same layer.

In Speedy Entry use T or =.

Bill

[wildething]

I tried the t and the / but it still isn't working. I also double checked and they are in the same layer so that's not it

[motet]

Neither minus sign or forward slash will add ties; I'm not sure where you're getting those. In Simple, Ctrl-click on the note and press T.

Tie should be in the Simple entry palette, but if not, go to Window/Customize Palettes to add it back. You can also get to it from the Simple Entry menu (Simple/Simple Edit Commands/Modify Entry).

If T doesn't work, your configuration may be screwed up, in which case you may have to reset your preferences.

[zuill]

I tried the t and the / but it still isn't working. I also double checked and they are in the same layer so that's not it

Would you post the file here for our examination?

Zuill

[miker]

The note must be selected. Also, the following note must be the same.

Finally, a non-judgemental question, since you are a new poster, and we know nothing about your musical (or Finale) background): do you know the difference between a tie and a slur, and that Finale uses different tools for each?

[ebiggs1]

Also, the following note must be the same.

Not really.

[miker]

You are correct. I was thinking of SmartScore, where a tie won't insert, unless the following note is the same.

[ebiggs1]

I only say this because this is a bone of contention for me. Finale will let you tie to anything. It will let you "tie" to a different note. That is a slur not a tie but Finale will do it.

[miker]

I guess it's a workflow issue. In Finale, you can insert a note, a tie, and a note. It's incumbent on you to enter that following note, correctly. SS requires you to enter both notes, and then go back to tie them.

[ebiggs1]

Although a music impossibility no one else besides me sees this as an issue. Finale doesn't know what a tie is and I am wondering if some 'musicians' on forums do either?
I have shown it to several music educators from our school and to the KU Music department. All were surprised it would. Oh, well the Sun will rise tomorrow morning in spite of this.

[zuill]

There are times one wants a tie from a note but not to a note. Ravel Ties is one. Also L.V. with cymbals, or triangle, or whatever. So, I'm glad Finale allows them.

Zuill

[motet]

Of course one would never write a tie between different pitches unless it's an enharmonic change. I suspect the reason it works this way in Finale is because in normal music entry you write tie before adding the tied-to note. I suppose if you then entered a different pitch it could erase the tie at that point, or beep, or something.

Is it really causing you a problem? There is the "check ties" utility that will find these mistakes, as I said. And I think in the latest version of Finale, Simple entry will now carry an accidental across the bar when there's a tie (perhaps someone that has that version can verify).

Personally, I'm not troubled by this. In fact, I'm trouble by the opposite: in certain situations, the repitch tool will remove the tie, which is not always desirable,

[ebiggs1]

Is it really causing you a problem?

It isn't causing me a problem because it really makes no difference if you are just notating. But it does when you play back. And like most of us, the less we have to do makes life easier because we are usually under the gun to get work done. One less thing to check is one less thing to check. Add to the fact it is a musical impossibility just doesn't help the situation.

If a person wants to do a non-standard thing Finale should allow it but the correct musical notation should be the default.

[motet]

It sounds like you're talking about tieing an accidental across the barline. Once again, hasn't this been addressed in Simple entry in F25? I use Speedy entry, but I guess I've trained myself to enter the accidental, because this never comes up for me, and I do use playback to check my work.

[ebiggs1]

Nothing has changed in 25B. And it makes no difference if it is across a bar line or not. I never use Simple Entry but I suspect it acts the same as Speedy. It is no biggie in the grand scheme but it isn't right either. The Finale default should honor what a tie is.

[motet]

Right--in Speedy you're on your own.