Get rid of "Score" in PDF

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Post by michelp » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:22 am

I have the same behavior with Finale 25.3, the word Score is added to the name of the pdf of the score file.
The file name obviously uses the word that is present in the File Info -> Score Name Text Insert.
I could verify this entering another name, "Conducteur". It was added to the file name of the pdf as well.
It already appears in the Print window.
(All the parts add the full staff name to their pdf file name)
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Now, if in the File Info -> Score Name Text Insert, you leave the box empty, you get "Part 0" !
(Same name in Extracted score)
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Post by miker » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:53 pm

michelp,

Thanks for that confirmation! So now the mystery is, why do some of us have this problem, while others (on Macs) don't.

Peter (Thomson),

I create the PDF from the Finale score with CMD+P, CMD+P, although the results are the same if I go through the menus, rather than shortcuts.
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Post by zuill » Wed Apr 26, 2017 3:56 pm

Does this happen no matter which PDF program one uses?

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Post by michelp » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:05 pm

On the Mac, we usually use the pdf engine that is included in the MacOsX print window. (scroll to the bottom of the image)
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Post by zuill » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:56 pm

If that is causing the problem, maybe there is another option, and maybe that's why some are not getting the wrong result.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:02 pm

miker wrote:Peter,
Could you please post screen shots of the two windows I showed, above? Maybe some difference will show me something …
Mike,

There are others in this forum with the name Peter, but I suppose that you mean me (?)

The reason why I do not get "Score" in the file name of my PDFs is that I do not “print” to a PDF file.
Hence it does not make sense that I post screen shots of the window Manage Parts and the window Extract Parts.

Instead I use the Graphics Tool:
Graphics menu > Export Pages…
(Choose PDF as graphics format)

Creating PDFs in this way is faster …

- and I get PDFs that are truly Black and White.
Due to a bug in v25 you do not get truly {Black and White} PDFs if you “print” to a PDF file (the resulting PDF creates “Black” by mixing colors - the result is dark brown, but not true Black).
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Post by miker » Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:25 pm

Excellent workaround, Peter! Thank you, very much!

EDIT: And as an added bonus, it appears to be half the size: same file, 147 KB as graphic, 303 KB when "printed."
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Post by motet » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:03 pm

I thought Finale-generated PDFs had problems.

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Post by miker » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:36 pm

As a graphic export, is that really the same thing?

Is there another way to generate a PDF from Finale?
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Post by michelp » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:55 pm

AFAIK, on the Mac, we have 2 possibilities : the Print window (with several options, though, via Preview, etc...) and the Graphic Tool (saving in the pdf format).

On PC, there is a menu item in the File menu -> Export -> pdf, and the Graphic Tool (not always reliable, according to some users).
Add to that the third parties utilities such as the PdfCreator, Cutepdf etc...
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Post by motet » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:01 pm

On Windows, which has File/Export/PDF, users have reported many problems. I'd be very surprised if the Graphics tool used different code. My guess is that MM has licensed some third-party software, which may well be different on the Mac.

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Post by michelp » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:03 pm

On the Mac, the pdf creation in the Print window is integrated into the MacOsx, and uses the same procedure in the Print window of any application. It is at the OS level. For the Graphic tool, no idea.
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Post by David Ward » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:07 pm

miker wrote:… …And as an added bonus, it appears to be half the size: same file, 147 KB as graphic, 303 KB when "printed."
Well under half with a large file, it seems. I've just made a PDF from a 490 bar, 85 page opera scene for full orchestral and vocal forces. ‘Printed’ from F 25 it is 6.1 MB, as PDF graphic it is 2.2 MB. But here is something interesting: a PDF of the same scene ‘printed’ six years ago from it's original Finale 2010 file is also 2.2 MB.

Question: why is the printed PDF from F 25 so much bigger than from F 2010 (apart from opening it in the later version, there are no changes to the Finale file)?
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Post by motet » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:29 pm

Has the O.S. changed?

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Post by David Ward » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:57 am

motet wrote:Has the O.S. changed?
It's definitely Finale not the OS. I just opened the file mentioned above in F 2014.5 and printed to PDF. The result is 2.2 MB. Only F 25 produces the 6.1 MB ‘printed’ PDF, but 2.2 MB graphic PDF.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:46 am

David Ward wrote: …Question: why is the printed PDF from F 25 so much bigger than from F 2010 (apart from opening it in the later version, there are no changes to the Finale file)?
My guess is that the culprit is the bug I mentioned:
When you “print” to a PDF file, you do not get a true Black-and-White PDF.
Instead of Black you get a dark brown colour mix.

I suspect that a such “colour PDF” must have a much bigger file size than a monochrome “Black-and-White PDF”.

Exporting from the Graphics Tool - On The Other Hand - gives a true Black-and-White PDF.
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Post by David Ward » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:27 pm

Returning to this earlier thread, a bonus with PDFs created by Peter Thomsen's method as graphics is that as well as being smaller and without the annoying ‘Full Score’ designation, they seem to display on screen with far greater clarity.

I don't think the difference is so great (if noticeable at all) when printed to paper, at least via my home printer, but a PDF as graphic of a substantial, multi-stave full score displays on a large portrait oriented monitor spectacularly better than do PDFs created via the print dialogue (from any version of Finale).
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