Finale Forum

So I have many lead sheets in concert pitch. I'd like to make pdfs in concert, and an additional set for a Bb instrument. Is there a way to do this without creating an additional part?

It sure would be nice to only edit the single lead sheet and not multiple parts when (not if) i find mistakes in the score. There will be literally no difference in the concert and Bb parts, i'd just like to print a transposed set as well.

Any easy way to do this? Seems like I can't be the first person to have this question...

Thanks!!
Geoff

Are you still using Finale 2009?

Are you familiar with linked parts?

A simple way would be to make the staff a Bb transposing instrument (via Staff Attributes -> Transposition in 2009). Then :
• display the piece in Concert key (Document menu), create a pdf.
• display the piece transposed, create a pdf.
Disadvantage : the Bb indication is not visible.
You can extract the transposed version as a separate file, and add the Bb indication before creating the pdf.

Or apply a staff style temporarily to change the transposition. Either way, transposing the pitches could change formatting (different key signatures, vertical change in pitch colliding with hairpins, etc.)

I'm not sure what you mean by Bb indication. Do you mean the name on the part? If so, couldn't that just be changed temporarily?

With linked parts, one can of course create two parts. But you would have to format each separately, which could be a hassle. I am currently faced with a similar issue: I'm arranging a 19-century opera whose trumpet parts are in several keys. For various reasons (it might make an interesting discussion here), I am, like Geoff, going to provide a part in the original keys and also a C trumpet part. But I only want to format one part, so the only way I can think to do it is to effect the transpositions with staff styles, format the multi-key part, then extract that part to a separate file for the C version and remove the staff styles and tweak the formatting a little as necessary per the above reasons. But I recall there's perhaps a Jari Williamsson plug-in to copy the formatting from one part to another? I'm guessing that might replicate system breaks, etc., but not manual tweaking of expressions.

motet wrote:I'm not sure what you mean by Bb indication. Do you mean the name on the part? If so, couldn't that just be changed temporarily?

Yes, that's what I ment. A temporary instrument name is another solution, indeed.
And you are right, after the transposition, some layout problems may occur.
P.S. : in 2009, if you create 2 parts from the same staff, I'm not sure you can have them with different transpositions, like it can be done now in the Score Manager of the part (unlink).

michelp wrote:… P.S. : in 2009, if you create 2 parts from the same staff, I'm not sure you can have them with different transpositions, like it can be done now in the Score Manager of the part (unlink).

Staff Styles can be different in different parts.
You can set a staff transposition via a staff style.

You can e. g. have the same staff in two different parts, with Bb transposition (Major 9th), Treble Clef, in one part, and with Concert Pitch, Tenor Clef, in the other part.

Staff styles applied to the part only, of course ! Thanks for the reminder.

I use staff styles exclusively for trumpet and clarinet instrument changes rather than "change instrument." Easier to see what's going on. De gustibus, of course.

With Linked Parts, one can make the same part as many different intruments or transpositions as one wants. This is done by unlinking the Instrument from the score. There's no need for Staff Styles or Change Instrument.

Zuill

zuill wrote:This is done by unlinking the Instrument from the score.
Zuill

I'm not sure I follow. You mean the instrument name? Does this address my issue of wanting the same basic formatting applied to two different parts, or are you addressing the O.P. (who I'm afraid doesn't have linked parts)? I want to format my original trumpet part with good page breaks, collision avoidance, etc., then generate a C part that inherits all that, but that I can then tweak a little.

motet wrote:… the O.P. (who I'm afraid doesn't have linked parts)? …

gdgross has Finale 2009 which indeed has linked parts.

Thanks for the correction. I went from 2005 to 2011.

motet wrote:

zuill wrote:This is done by unlinking the Instrument from the score.
Zuill

I'm not sure I follow. You mean the instrument name? Does this address my issue of wanting the same basic formatting applied to two different parts, or are you addressing the O.P. (who I'm afraid doesn't have linked parts)? I want to format my original trumpet part with good page breaks, collision avoidance, etc., then generate a C part that inherits all that, but that I can then tweak a little.

The check box in the part (in the Score Manager) is "Unlink all instruments in this part".

Zuill

... and as I said, there is no ScoreManager in 2009, hence the other methods.

zuill wrote: The check box in the part (in the Score Manager) is "Unlink all instruments in this part".
Zuill

I'm not sure I know what that means! I'll read up on it.

Open a part, and then its own Score Manager window. Next to Add Instrument is that checkbox "Unlink all instrument in this part".
If checked, the part can have another transposition, clef, etc... and nothing will affect the score.
This feature is especially useful when one wants to create, from 1 staff, additional parts, for different instruments (transposition, clef,...).

Sorry. I was addressing Motet's question regarding the Score manager. I wasn't thinking about Finale 2009. Sorry about the confusion.

I guess staff styles would be the only way to do it in 2009, outside of extracting and modifying there.

Zuill

P.S.: I looked back through the OP's prior posts and see that Finale 2012 is mentioned at one point, so the Score Manager is the way to go after all. I guess we assumed the OP was still using 2009, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I suppose a reply from the OP would be helpful to put this to rest.

Sorry guys, I thought I replied to this earlier today, but I guess it didn't go through.

Im no longer on 2009, I've updated to the latest, v25.

I don't see a transposition option in the staff attributes, or in the define staff styles menu? I can get my lead sheets into Bb changing instruments in the score manager window (which does change the formatting and spacing somewhat, which is what I wanted to avoid.)

I'm thinking it might be easier to just make them all Bb instruments, then work in concert pitch with the "display in concert pitch" option, and then just uncheck that when I want to print Bb.

gdgross wrote:… Im no longer on 2009, I've updated to the latest, v25 …

Perhaps it is time that you update your forum user profile (go to the Control Panel):

gdgross wrote:… I don't see a transposition option in the staff attributes, or in the define staff styles menu …

For the Staff Attributes the Transposition option has been moved to the Score Manager’s Instrument List.

The option is still there in the dialog box Staff Styles: