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Post by N Grossingink » Sat May 27, 2017 3:02 pm

Don't forget you can change the display color of the unlinked items in Preferences > Display Colors. To me the default orange is irritating and not very visible. I'm thinking a medium brown or purple would be much more pleasant.

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Post by motet » Sat May 27, 2017 4:05 pm

I'll be curious to see if anyone encounters this problem in a non-upgrade situation.

If you flip a stem and flip it back, it stays orange. There must be a flag somewhere that can be cleared.

Does copying the music and pasting it back on itself solve the problem?

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Post by michelp » Sat May 27, 2017 10:54 pm

motet wrote:Does copying the music and pasting it back on itself solve the problem?
Yes, the orange stems revert to black. Thanks for the suggestion, motet ! The cause of the problem remains mysterious, but that's an easy fix.
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Post by gogreen » Sat May 27, 2017 11:57 pm

I’ve been working on a concert band score that I created originally in Finale 2007, so the score and its alterations were cycled through F2007, F2011, F2014, F2014.5, F 25, and F25.3. My initial concern about not being able to change portions of the 5-line staff to a 1-line staff were solved (staff style). However, another concern about that staff was that I was afraid there were unfixable errors associated with bringing in the file through all those Finale versions--I seem to be running into a lot of these kinds of problems, fixable, yes, with an XML export-import, but then involving so much editing and reworking. The problem now was that I simply could not get a slapstick sound again as before, no matter what I did. I’m sure I was setting up the sound correctly. My solution was to delete the entire staff, rename that saved file, close Finale, open Finale and that file, and re-create the staff. After I did that with new assignments for Aria and the brush drum kit slapstick sound, all’s fine and the slapstick sound reappeared.

So, if anyone has one staff in a score that’s troublesome and that exhibits symptoms associated with older Finale files in newer versions, instead of going through the rigamarole of all that editing required with an entire file xml import, delete only the wayward staff and create it anew. This method saved me a lot of time and trouble.
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Post by motet » Sun May 28, 2017 12:12 am

michelp wrote:
motet wrote:Does copying the music and pasting it back on itself solve the problem?
Yes, the orange stems revert to black. Thanks for the suggestion, motet ! The cause of the problem remains mysterious, but that's an easy fix.
I guess you can just select the measure with the Selection tool and type Ctrl-C Ctrl-V.

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Post by michelp » Sun May 28, 2017 10:24 am

There is a drawback, of course : after copy/paste, the edits in the parts are lost (moving items, changing enharmonies, etc...). Even if one copies/pastes inside the part. The score version reappears.
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Post by BuonTempi » Sun May 28, 2017 11:49 am

michelp wrote:Sharing my experience : a remark concerning the suggestion by MM to export the problematic file to MusicXML et importing it :

The imported file lacks many things which were included in the original :
• My own libraries are absent (chord suffixes, expressions, staff styles etc...).
• Staves with zero line now have 5
• Some text blocks are missing, such as titles, some text inserts (Date, Hour...)
• Default rests are now selected. Not what I had in the original.
• All the metatools have to be recreated for each library (not a surprise)
• Page sizes are lost in Page Format
• Parts have to be redone
• Sounds have to be redefined in the ScoreManager
• etc...(probably more to be discovered)
Conclusion : the MusciXML procedure requires a huge amount of work to get a file identical to the original file.

Creating a new template from scratch probably takes just a bit more time, but that's what I eventually did.
The MusicXML file "imports" itself into your default document, as specified in Preferences. So if your document contains all the libraries and metatools, that should improve some of these matters.
You can save and load libraries, too.

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Post by BuonTempi » Sun May 28, 2017 11:57 am

motet wrote:If you flip a stem and flip it back, it stays orange. There must be a flag somewhere that can be cleared.
Adjusting a stem (or other) in a part Unlinks it from the Score. Removing the adjustment does not Relink that element to the Score.
However, right clicking on the anchor has "Relink to Score", which restores the Black colour.
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So it is possible for items to be unlinked but coincidentally the same. I dare say that if coincidentally similar things automatically relinked to the score, there would be some complaints.

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Post by zuill » Sun May 28, 2017 1:41 pm

Even if you relink the stems, the bug still manifests itself when entering the measure with Speedy Entry.

I added notes to a blank measure and used Speedy Entry. Only the stem up notes turned orange. The stem down notes remained black.

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Post by BuonTempi » Sun May 28, 2017 2:16 pm

Zuil, can you provide steps to create the bug in a new document?

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Post by motet » Sun May 28, 2017 3:58 pm

michelp wrote:after copy/paste, the edits in the parts are lost (moving items, changing enharmonies, etc...)
If you set the filter to only Notes and Rests, it leaves moved expressions alone, but apparently discards articulations.
zuill wrote:Even if you relink the stems, the bug still manifests itself when entering the measure with Speedy Entry.
That doesn't seem to be the case with Finale 2014.5. Alas, looks like relinking the stems must be done one at a time, which would be very tedious.

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Post by motet » Sun May 28, 2017 4:12 pm

I took a screen shot of an edit frame in a measure in a part, flipped a stem in a part and flipped it back, and then looked at the Speedy edit frame again. "Freeze Stem" and "Up/Down" had been checked, but unchecking them didn't cause the orange to go away, so the different-from-scoreness must be stored elsewhere.

Here's another strange thing: if I try to flip the stems in the following part in Simple, it takes two L's before the first two (upstem) notes will flip, but only one for the second two; regardless, it flips in both part and score rather than turning the stem orange. Is this a known non-feature of Simple?

Speedy will flip in only the part, but for the upstem notes the first L will color the stem orange but not flip. A second L will then flip.

So the whole business seems buggy.
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Post by michelp » Sun May 28, 2017 4:36 pm

It seems be a Finale 25 problem (when clicking on a measure while in Speedy). Not happening in 2014.5.
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Post by motet » Sun May 28, 2017 4:43 pm

Ah. Does it happen only with imported-from-other-version files as MM claims, or does it happen with a newly-created file?

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Post by michelp » Sun May 28, 2017 5:08 pm

It happens with a brand new template I just built from scratch in 25.3.
Open it.
Write a measure. Go to the part, click on the measure in Speedy (without editing anything) : the stems (not the one on beat 1) change to orange.

I attach a file created within that template (don't be surprized, I deleted everything but 1 staff, the Alto Sax).
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P.S. : a default file (25.3) or a Finale template doesn't seem to be affected by the problem ! It's hard to figure this out. The only thing that differs between the 2 files is that in my template, I have imported some of my own libraries, but this shouldn't interfere.
P.S. 2 : The same file (alto.musx) doesn't have the problem in 2014.5.
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Post by motet » Sun May 28, 2017 5:44 pm

Please submit this to MM. Telling you to trash your document by running it through MusicXML seems thus irresponsible.

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Post by michelp » Sun May 28, 2017 6:02 pm

motet wrote:Please submit this to MM. Telling you to trash your document by running it through MusicXML seems thus irresponsible.
I just did. I agree.
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Post by motet » Sun May 28, 2017 7:09 pm

The MusicXML solution seems akin to their tack of always telling people to trash their preferences, except, of course, much worse. (This is not to say that MusicXML isn't a good thing--I'm very glad it exists.)

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Post by zuill » Sun May 28, 2017 8:00 pm

BuonTempi wrote:Zuil, can you provide steps to create the bug in a new document?
I was speaking about the document that was posted by the OP.

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Post by gogreen » Sun May 28, 2017 11:18 pm

Even if you relink the stems, the bug still manifests itself when entering the measure with Speedy Entry.
I added notes to a blank measure and used Speedy Entry. Only the stem up notes turned orange. The stem down notes remained black.
Yup. Exactly my experience, Zuill. Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V fixed it. The XML option, offered my MM, is so last ditch, it's not even an option.
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Post by zuill » Mon May 29, 2017 4:50 am

I tried Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V, but entering Speedy returned the stems to orange. So the fix was temporary.

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Post by michelp » Mon May 29, 2017 11:10 am

Just a reminder...
michelp wrote:There is a drawback, of course : after copy/paste, the edits in the parts are lost (moving items, changing enharmonies, etc...). Even if one copies/pastes inside the part, the score version reappears.
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Post by gogreen » Mon May 29, 2017 12:57 pm

I tried Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V, but entering Speedy returned the stems to orange. So the fix was temporary.
The fix is permanent for me.

Michel, thanks for that reminder.
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Post by zuill » Mon May 29, 2017 2:16 pm

gogreen wrote:
I tried Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V, but entering Speedy returned the stems to orange. So the fix was temporary.
The fix is permanent for me.

If I apply copy/paste. and enter Speedy on a measure in the Score, stems stay black. But when in the part, they turn orange.

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Post by MikeHalloran » Mon May 29, 2017 10:57 pm

That said, as michelp explained, xml leaves a lot out of the import.
Although it appears that way, it's more accurate to say that MusicXML leaves a lot out of the export. The Dolet 6 plugin adds a much of that functionality to older versions of Finale — unfortunately, it only supports Finale 2009 to 2014.5.
http://www.musicxml.com/dolet-plugin/do ... or-finale/

The Dolet 5 plugin supported Finale 2007. I can no longer find a download link, however.
http://www.musicxml.com/dolet-plugin/do ... n-history/
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