ugly slurs
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Hi everybody,
a friend asked my to edit her transcriptions of japanese Shakuhachi-music. It is for me the first time I encounter so many slurs, and most of them look ugly.....
I encountered mainly three problems:
1. If there are more than one slur on a note, they overlap.
2. Slurs with grace notes look ugly, if the interval is bigger than a second
3. Sometimes the slurs get quite big and high....
Which settings do you use for music like this? Is it possible to edit music like this without having to correct every slur manually?
Thanks and regards!
Yuval
a friend asked my to edit her transcriptions of japanese Shakuhachi-music. It is for me the first time I encounter so many slurs, and most of them look ugly.....
I encountered mainly three problems:
1. If there are more than one slur on a note, they overlap.
2. Slurs with grace notes look ugly, if the interval is bigger than a second
3. Sometimes the slurs get quite big and high....
Which settings do you use for music like this? Is it possible to edit music like this without having to correct every slur manually?
Thanks and regards!
Yuval
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- zuill
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I've never found a "one size fits all" setting for slurs. I do a lot of manual editing. Period. There are settings you can play with. I would start by writing down all the current settings (or take screen shots), so you can document what the changes are. Then, start experimenting.
Zuill
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"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
"When all is said and done, more is said than done."
Finale really should do this sort of thing better. Dorico version 1 can already do it really well. In the meantime, Zuill's right, it's a matter of manual editing.
Vaughan
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- N Grossingink
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One thing I notice is your slurs are really too thick, my opinion. Slurs and ties should have the same thickness, and the tips should not fade away to a zero thickness - there should be a noticeable chisel effect to the tip, just like a plate engraver would get with their awl.
Another suggestion would be to eliminate the slurs on the grace notes altogether. They're really not needed as each little phrase is encompassed by a slur.
I'm attaching a file with my own default slur contour and options settings. I'm not saying they are definitive at all, but I've spent a lot of time trying to get slurs that mimic the finest old plate engravers. With the right settings, Finale can produce beautiful slurs. And yes, even with a good default, you still need to do a lot of manual tweaks.
N.
Another suggestion would be to eliminate the slurs on the grace notes altogether. They're really not needed as each little phrase is encompassed by a slur.
I'm attaching a file with my own default slur contour and options settings. I'm not saying they are definitive at all, but I've spent a lot of time trying to get slurs that mimic the finest old plate engravers. With the right settings, Finale can produce beautiful slurs. And yes, even with a good default, you still need to do a lot of manual tweaks.
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N. Grossingink
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Hi everybody,
thank you for your great help! I'm happy that I'm not alone with this problems.... I hope, Finale will improve the behavior of the slurs - if not, it would be nearly a reason to change to Dorico.....
thank you for your great help! I'm happy that I'm not alone with this problems.... I hope, Finale will improve the behavior of the slurs - if not, it would be nearly a reason to change to Dorico.....
Thanks for the remark, like I already said before I didn't use a lot of slurs until now, so I'll start to work a bit on them...One thing I notice is your slurs are really too thick, my opinion.
Since this is not my transcription I have to follow the manuscript....Another suggestion would be to eliminate the slurs on the grace notes altogether.
Thank you so much! I'll take a look on this later and try to understand your settings...I'm attaching a file with my own default slur contour and options settings.
- elbsound
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A long thread on Finale's slurs with many example settings can be found on the Notat.io forum:
http://notat.io/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107
http://notat.io/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=107
- MikeHalloran
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People are assuming a lot. Are they right?a friend asked my to edit her transcriptions of japanese Shakuhachi-music. It is for me the first time I encounter so many slurs, and most of them look ugly.....
Was this done in Finale originally? You never said. If so, then they are correct.
If not, then what? In that case, is this a Finale readout we are seeing, MusicXML import or something else?
Mike Halloran
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Finale 27.4.1, SmartScore X2 Pro, GPO5 & World Instruments
MacOS Ventura 14.5 (public beta); 2023 Studio M2 Ultra, 192G RAM, 8TB; 2021 MBAir M1
NotePerformer4, Dorico 5, Overture, Notion 6, DP 11, Logic Pro