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Post by motet » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:56 pm

So, what's going on here? When I drag this expression down in a part, it's as if there are two of them, as you see. If printed, two appear. But there is really only one. The score doesn't have this behavior. If I delete either of the two, both disappear.
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Post by N Grossingink » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:32 pm

I've seen Expression Tool behavior like this rarely but consistently rarely. You've probably done it already, but deleting and re-entering should fix it.

The revamped Expression Tool (Finale 2009) introduced several anomalies. My favorite is when 2 different nearby expressions become linked. They move together and deleting one deletes the other as well. Repeal and replace fixes them.

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Post by zuill » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:14 am

This is something I have not seen. Do you have a sample file with the behavior for us to examine?

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Post by motet » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:47 am

I'll see if I can recreate it. I think I copied from one file to another.

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Post by motet » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:46 am

Here it is. Oddly, the behavior reported above does not occur in the Violin I part (or the score), only in the others.

(By the way, this was made to match part of an old printed edition file, which is why I have made such odd-looking multimeasure rests and key signature. Very cool that Finale can replicate it pretty closely.)
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Post by BuonTempi » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:48 am

That is very wierd. Does it happen in other documents? It may just be a one-off, but it's certainly worth filing with MM.

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Post by gogreen » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:37 pm

Did you create the piece in a previous version of Finale and are you now working on the file in the newest, or newer, version? You might create a test file--don't do this in your original file--remove all measure numbering and start again.
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Post by zuill » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:51 pm

This seems to be related to category settings. Possibly this file was based on a template created in an earlier version. You have a second category for rehearsal marks in which you created this mark. When I change the Score List to Top staff for score and not top staff for parts, but all staves for parts, the odd behavior goes away. The clue that lead me in this directions was that only the Violin 1 didn't have the errant behavior. Since that is the top staff in the score, I thought of the Score List possibility.

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Post by zuill » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:36 pm

Upon further testing, if I checked All Staves for parts, and NOT uncheck Top Staff for parts, the odd behavior disappears as well.

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Post by motet » Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:07 pm

Thanks for the work-around! Very odd--somehow the Score List is broken.

Here's another less-than-ideal Finale behavior (in my opinion): I tried unchecking everything in Staff List 1, clicking OK, then turning Top Staff back on, in an attempt to repair this. If you do this, Finale actually removes the expression assignments of everything using that score list. The display is not just suppressed--the expressions are apparently permanently removed from their assignments in the file. Other caterories using that score list (e.g. tempo marks) are affected as well. The definitions remain. I tried this on an ordinary, non-damaged file, and that's the way it works. My expectation was that the expressions would still be assigned to those measures, just not displayed.
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Post by motet » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:04 pm

zuill wrote:Possibly this file was based on a template created in an earlier version.
Not an earlier version, but it had an odd birth. I wanted to use a section from a larger piece, but for new instruments. So I created a new piece with the set-up wizard, for string orchestra with the right number of measures. I wanted to import the key and time signatures, rehearsal marks, tempo markings, etc. from the larger piece, so I deleted all but one staff in the larger piece so I could copy the section as a Stack. I copied this into the Violin I part of the new file and Finale created the duplicate categories.

By the way, the tempo markings, which are assigned to the same score list, have the same problem. I tried switching to Score List 2, but that didn't help, so rather than the specific score list, it's "top-staffness" itself that seems to be affected.

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Post by zuill » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:40 pm

When I copy/pasted, using the filter to just do expressions that included rehearsal marks, it seems to have cleared the oddity.

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Post by motet » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:47 pm

Perfect--thanks!

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