Finale Forum

motet,
I don't have to copy and paste. If I have an active cursor in my document, all I do is click on the character in PopChar, and it gets inserted into my piece.

Maybe try it with a text document, like Word.

The problem is that on Windows, PopChar sends Ctrl-V to the receiving program to paste, which doesn't work with every program (though perhaps it does with Finale). Some programs use Ctrl-Insert instead.

I have found a much more serious problem, and I wonder if you could check in on the Mac because I am communicating with the developer. In the Maestro Percussion font there is a quarter-tone sharp symbol which looks like a regular sharp with a 4 on top. This should be in slot #194, but Maestro Percussion shows it in slot #172 and pastes the wrong character.

Nope, not here. Mine shows in 194 and pastes correctly. 172 is empty.

OK, thanks. Windows-only, I guess. I have reported it to them.

I found another problem, but I think it's in PopChar. It won't enter characters from the font Private Use area into Finale, although it works correctly in Pages. I'll send it to both of them.

EDIT: Evidently, when it comes to the Private Use area, all bets are off. Developers can set them up however they choose, and so the encoding may not be what PopChar is looking for (or so I interpret what they told me!)

And that should be done as well as adding a true hard hyphen. ...

Whoa! Good call. At first I wondered why anyone would want the non-breaking hyphen (as it's also known). Then I remembered that every notation app uses the dash to indicate a space. You can fake it with the en dash (option dash), of course but it's not the same and doesn't look quite right.

Interestingly, Encore 5.0.7 has the true hard hyphen. It's option minus and works with an extended keyboard and its numeric keypad. That does not appear to work in Finale, at least the old file I tried it on just now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash

Mike Halloran wrote:

>> At first I wondered why anyone would want the non-breaking hyphen

Lutherans need it for "well-being" in chanting the Kyrie.

You mention using the en-dash which is really too big for a hyphen, but you can select the dash and reduce the font size and it's acceptable, though there really should be an easier way.

Bill

It's been reported, and requested, for years. Maybe someday...

Bill Stevens wrote:Mike Halloran wrote:

>> At first I wondered why anyone would want the non-breaking hyphen

Lutherans need it for "well-being" in chanting the Kyrie.

You mention using the en-dash which is really too big for a hyphen, but you can select the dash and reduce the font size and it's acceptable, though there really should be an easier way.

Bill

The ELCA congregations I worked for never chanted. It was hard enough to teach the contemporary services to clap on the 2 & 4.

I suppose that one could use find and replace to insert them, similar to elisions. Someday, if I ever have the need, I'll play with it.

Too bad that option minus doesn't work as it does in Encore. It was an elegant solution.

Bill Stevens wrote:… You mention using the en-dash which is really too big for a hyphen, but you can select the dash and reduce the font size and it's acceptable, though there really should be an easier way …

Am I missing something here?

Finale has supported Unicode since version 2012.

I just tried the non-breaking hyphen in the Palatino font.
It worked - without any need to reduce the font size.

See the attached Finale document and graphic.

Sorry, Peter, but that's not what it did for me.
Unless you did something different?

EDIT: Curiouser and Curiouser. In the Palatino font, if you enter the hard hyphen from the Text menu, you get a hard hyphen-minus. But if you enter it with the shortcut ALT-hyphen, you get the en dash. However, in TNR, or Finale Lyrics, you get the en dash either way...

I'll document it with pictures, and send it in, tomorrow. If anyone wants to try it with other fonts, let me know what you get!