Some thoughts and questions about Note Velocity

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Post by shnootre » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:55 am

I notice that when you look with the midi tool, Finale sets all velocities to 64 as a default.

However, my HP preferences have 80 set as their base velocity.

It seems that if I create a midi file with Standard Human playback, the velocities get somewhat randomized, but hover around 80 (when I look at the velocities in Logic).

If however, I manually set the velocities with the midi tool - say a scale from 80-105, then a jump down to 64, then a scale from 64-110, and then look in logic, the numbers I selected are the number I set plus 16 (i.e. the difference between 80 and 64).

So basically, whatever I manually set velocity to will be off by the difference between whatever the base velocity is set to and 64.

Is there some way to change that default 64? It seems to be of no value, since the actual playback velocity is determined by some combination of the base velocity setting and whatever randomization features are hardwired into the HP setting you're using.

Also - it doesn't seem like velocities, at least in standard Human Playback, correspond to dynamic changes. I had crescendi, and changes in dynamics, but the changes in velocity seemed to bear no correspondence (they were, as I said above, just randomized around 80).

Wondering if I'm missing something, or just stumbling upon further, important information in my quest to master Human Playback! ?
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Post by zuill » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:01 am

Did you mean setting the Base Key Velocity in Playback Settings? That is independent from HP preferences, I believe.

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Post by shnootre » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:55 pm

Nope. In Human Playback Preferences, in the Dynamics/Volume Tab.

There's a setting for: Base Velocity. It defaults to 80, which seems a decent place for it to be (64 would be very soft). But if you look w/ the midi tool, even with the base velocity set at 80, it shows all velocities at 64.

So the resulting number is either 80, or whatever you set it to +16 (the difference between 80 and 64).
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Post by zuill » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:17 pm

Change it to 80 in Playback Settings and see what happens.

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Post by shnootre » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:08 pm

Ah you're right. That DOES affect the velocities shown when you look with the midi tool.

So BOTH of these settings, play a role in what velocity is actually played? Maybe it's just important for them to be set to the same number, so that inputted velocities actually match the desired result.

Still getting my head around this.
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