I have a passage in 12/8.
In this passage there are beats here and there with 2 notes filling a single beat (dotted quarter value beat).
I ALSO have beats where there are four notes filling a single beat.
Finale lets me write a duplet of eighth notes to fill a beat, and it also lets me insert a quadruplet of eighth notes to fill a beat.
They BOTH look right to me. And yet, at the same time it is confusing to see two eighth notes take up a single beat, and four eighth notes take up another single beat.
16th notes look wrong for the quadruplet, and I'm assuming that they really are too small a value to fill the beat. so eighths would be correct for a 4plet.
does this mean that I have to change my duplets of eighths to duplets of quarters to fill a single beat?
OT: notation of duplets/quadruplets in compound time
Moderators: Peter Thomsen, miker
- Michel R E
- Posts: 702
- Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:16 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 2012, 25, 26
- Operating System: Windows
User of Finale since version 3.0 on Windows.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
- David Ward
- Posts: 814
- Joined: Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:48 pm
- Finale Version: F 25.5 & 26.3
- Operating System: Mac
Strictly, yes. In theory (but not always practice) a tuplet is supposed to add up to too much if it were not a tuplet. However, the most important thing is to be consistent - so either 2 eighths and 4 sixteenths, or 2 quarters and 4 eighths. Alternatively, you could use dotted non-tuplets, which is what I do (without question or complaint from performers).Michel R E wrote:does this mean that I have to change my duplets of eighths to duplets of quarters to fill a single beat?
Finale 25.5 & 26.3
Mac 10.13.6 & 10.14.6
Mac 10.13.6 & 10.14.6
- motet
- Posts: 8293
- Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2016 8:33 pm
- Finale Version: 2014.5,2011,2005,27
- Operating System: Windows
Elaine Gould talks about the compound-time considerations. "Traditional" notation would use eighths for the duplet and sixteenths for the quadruplet. "Contemporary" would use quarters for the duplet and eighths for the quadruplet. Personally, I use the former.
- Michel R E
- Posts: 702
- Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:16 pm
- Finale Version: Finale 2012, 25, 26
- Operating System: Windows
I've gone with duplets of 8ths and quadruplets of 16ths.
I tried the other way and it was just too messy.
I also tried making the duplets into simply dotted 8ths and it was more confusing than anything.
I tried the other way and it was just too messy.
I also tried making the duplets into simply dotted 8ths and it was more confusing than anything.
User of Finale since version 3.0 on Windows.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
- Peter Thomsen
- Posts: 6628
- Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm
- Finale Version: Finale v27.4
- Operating System: Mac
The context makes the difference.motet wrote:Elaine Gould talks about the compound-time considerations. "Traditional" notation would use eighths for the duplet and sixteenths for the quadruplet. "Contemporary" would use quarters for the duplet and eighths for the quadruplet. Personally, I use the former.
In the « Orgel-Büchlein » by J. S. Bach, in the double canon over « In dulci jubilo », Bach used a “contemporary” notation - and the notation makes perfect sense in the context.
One canon is notated in 9/8 - three beats, each beat sub-divided into three 8ths.
The other canon - with the cantus firmus - uses a beat sub-division of two 4trs (as in 3/2).
In this context it is clear that the triplet 8ths - with one beam - are faster, while the duplet 4trs - with no beams - are slower.
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996