F sharp + B flat key sig
Moderators: Peter Thomsen, miker
Hi,
I have composed a some little diatonic pieces inspired by part 4 of Ligeti's Musica Ricercata. The key signature of which is a non-standard F sharp and B flat.
I would like to emulate that in Finale 27 but have spectacularly failed to do so using the "other" key sig tools. Is there a way to do it? If so I would be grateful for some pointers; many thanks.
As a fallback F# + A# would also work I guess.
I have composed a some little diatonic pieces inspired by part 4 of Ligeti's Musica Ricercata. The key signature of which is a non-standard F sharp and B flat.
I would like to emulate that in Finale 27 but have spectacularly failed to do so using the "other" key sig tools. Is there a way to do it? If so I would be grateful for some pointers; many thanks.
As a fallback F# + A# would also work I guess.
- michelp
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In the Key Signature Tool, select Nonstandard.
In the manual, you'll find the steps.
http://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Fina ... ?cshid=174
In the manual, you'll find the steps.
http://usermanuals.finalemusic.com/Fina ... ?cshid=174
Michel
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
MacOsX 12.7.4, Finale 27.4.1 & 26.3.1, Mac Mini Intel Dual Core i7 3Ghz, 16 Go Ram. Azerty kb. MOTU Midi Express XT USB, Roland Sound Canvas SC-88vl, MOTU Audio Express. 2 monitors (27"' pivot, 24'"), JW Lua, RGP Lua
- motet
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It's exceedingly arcane, but long ago I wrote up a set of instructions which should help. I just followed them and was able to do it. I've attached both instructions (zipped PDF) and a .musx file.
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- NonTradKey.zip
- (98.05 KiB) Downloaded 66 times
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- nontradkey.musx
- (84.39 KiB) Downloaded 64 times
- Peter Thomsen
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No need to do it so “exceedingly arcane”.
Just use a Nonstandard Linear Key Format Signature with two accidentals, and change one of the accidentals.
If you go to Linear Key Format 2, all five buttons will become active.
Click the (now active) button Acc. Order, to get to the dialog box Accidental Order and Amount.
The accidentals
Unit 1, Unit 2, Unit 3, …
are sharps.
The accidentals
Unit -1, Unit -2, Unit -3, …
are flats.
Just use a Nonstandard Linear Key Format Signature with two accidentals, and change one of the accidentals.
If you go to Linear Key Format 2, all five buttons will become active.
Click the (now active) button Acc. Order, to get to the dialog box Accidental Order and Amount.
The accidentals
Unit 1, Unit 2, Unit 3, …
are sharps.
The accidentals
Unit -1, Unit -2, Unit -3, …
are flats.
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996
Hey all, I'm working around this same problem. I was able to get by with just downloading motet's musx file, since my project also just uses Bb and F#, but for the future I'm wondering what I did wrong. When I walked through all of motet's steps, I was still left with a key signature with 7 sharps instead of the 2 accidentals needed. Seems like the place I was starting from was with all those sharps. Any ideas?
Thanks!
Thanks!
- Peter Thomsen
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If I understand you correctly, your project has the two accidentals in the opposite order:
First B♭, next F♯
- right?
Take a look at the attached Finale document (in v26 format) which shows {First B♭, next F♯} in the simpler solution with a Linear Key Format.
If you would like to know, what went wrong when you tried to do the same with a Nonlinear Key Signature, then attach your Finale document here.
I am confident that one of the gurus can find the culprit.
Mac OS X 12.6.9 (Monterey), Finale user since 1996