Lyrics too close to barline

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Post by yyzteacher » Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:31 pm

In each measure, my lyrics often touch the left barline. (They rarely get too close to the right barline at the end of a measure.) I've looked under lyric options and document options but don't see a way to specify the minimum distance between a barline and lyrics. Does anyone know of a helpful tip? Thanks!


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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:47 pm

Have you tried these settings?
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Post by Bill Stevens » Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:32 pm

Usually with lyrics the barline is only on the staff, not between the staves, so this wouldn't be a problem.

Staff Tool > Staff > Groups and Brackets > Add > Draw Barlines > Only On Staves.

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Post by motet » Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:41 pm

Which of those settings controls this, Peter?

I just finished 40 pages of secco recitative on a grand staff with the voice on top and figured bass on the bottom, with barlines between the staves. I used the default document options for lyrics. Occasionally a lyric was close to the barline, though never touching. I just moved it to the right manually in the Adjust Syllables mode of the Lyrics tools.

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:58 pm

motet wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:41 pm
Which of those settings controls this, Peter? …
I was referring to the settings in the red rectangle in my screen shot.
motet wrote:
Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:41 pm
… I just finished 40 pages of secco recitative on a grand staff with the voice on top and figured bass on the bottom, with barlines between the staves. I used the default document options for lyrics. Occasionally a lyric was close to the barline, though never touching. I just moved it to the right manually in the Adjust Syllables mode of the Lyrics tools.
I would say that the setting
Others: Alignment Left
makes the bigger difference.
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Post by motet » Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:51 pm

Though it can crowd the words elsewhere. In my lyrics of 2,500 words I only needed to make a handful of manual adjustments to get words an aesthetic distance from a barline (there were no actual collisions), but each situation is difference.

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Post by yyzteacher » Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:37 pm

None of the solutions have helped (unless I'm misunderstanding). Much of my work involves laying out popular songs for piano, in which case I do have barlines through staves, and lyrics. I'm very often running into the problem in the attached image (note the word "might"). Still hopeful for any solutions!
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Post by motet » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:15 pm

Did you try Peter's suggestion?
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:34 pm

Another solution:

Place the lyrics above the Grand Staff.
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Post by motet » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:35 pm

Another option would be to increase "space before music," though that would affect non-lyric measures as well.
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Post by motet » Fri Jan 26, 2024 8:37 pm

Finally, as I said above, I used "Adjust syllables" in the lyric tool, which has the advantage of the words always being centered under the notes, though in my case not many needed adjusting.
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