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simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:20 pm
by musicus
Trying to put orchestral score page numbers - baffled! Getting the same number ("1") on all pages, and can't get L and R positioning. Have read the instructions several times.
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:31 pm
by Bill Stevens
Text Tool > Double click where you want the number > then Text > Insert > Page Numbers
Then Text > Frame Attributes > drop-down menu to Left Pages
Rinse and Repeat for right pages.
::: Bill
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:57 pm
by musicus
The piece begins with page 1 upper Left.
I doubleclick text box, text insert page number - and “1” appears - but only on pg. 1.
At that point (to get R pages) I am unclear what "rinse and repeat" means.
Bill Stevens wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:31 pm
Text Tool > Double click where you want the number > then Text > Insert > Page Numbers
Then Text > Frame Attributes > drop-down menu to Left Pages
Rinse and Repeat for right pages.
::: Bill
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:16 pm
by Peter Thomsen
musicus wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:57 pm
… I doubleclick text box, text insert page number - and “1” appears - but only on pg. 1 …
When you have created the text block, exit the text block (= click outside the text block), to return to the page.
Now the text block is there, and there is a handle on the text block.
Drag-select the text block handle.
To get to the selected text block’s Frame Attributes:
Text menu > Frame Attributes… (or hit Shift-Command-T, or hit Shift-Return).
Use the pop up menu at the top of the dialog box Frame Attributes.
The pop up menu defaults to Single Page, but you probably need the menu item
All Pages
NB:
In the bottom of the Frame Attributes you can achieve different positioning on right and left pages.
I hope that this is clear?
If not, ask again.
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:40 pm
by musicus
Still no-go. I created the text block this way: I double-clicked the upper L space (see attached), then went up to the text menu, insert/ page number, and that puts in “1.” Then "frame attributes / ALL pages. Good so far. But still can't figure out your instruction for different positioning on right and left pages.
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:16 pm
musicus wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:57 pm
… I doubleclick text box, text insert page number - and “1” appears - but only on pg. 1 …
When you have created the text block, exit the text block (= click outside the text block), to return to the page.
Now the text block is there, and there is a handle on the text block.
Drag-select the text block handle.
To get to the selected text block’s Frame Attributes:
Text menu > Frame Attributes… (or hit Shift-Command-T, or hit Shift-Return).
Use the pop up menu at the top of the dialog box Frame Attributes.
The pop up menu defaults to Single Page, but you probably need the menu item
All Pages
NB:
In the bottom of the Frame Attributes you can achieve different positioning on right and left pages.
I hope that this is clear?
If not, ask again.
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:18 pm
by Peter S.
Open the frame attributes. In the bottom there is a possibility to check "use position for right pages" ... (I have a German version, hope my translation is correct... You will find it...)
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:33 pm
by Peter Thomsen
Peter S. is right.
In the english version, at the bottom of the Frame Attributes, select
Use Right Page Positioning
* See the attached Finale document
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:36 pm
by musicus
I just tried it - it doesn't work. It places subsequent pages only in the middle. (I started by putting the text box bottom middle.)
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:33 pm
Peter S. is right.
In the english version, at the bottom of the Frame Attributes, select
Use Right Page Positioning
* See the attached Finale document
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:44 pm
by Peter S.
the marked settings should be "left" and "right"
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:58 pm
by musicus
That worked. Now I have to figure out how to hide the page number on page 1. Thanks.
Peter S. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 10:44 pm
the marked settings should be "left" and "right"
frame attributes.jpg
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:06 pm
by Peter S.
This is done on top of the frame: do not use ALL pages but the option "from page x to page y", use 0 for y if you want it to the end...
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:17 pm
by musicus
On my mac, "page range" from 1 through 0. Ja. But that doesn't hide the "1."
Peter S. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:06 pm
This is done on top of the frame: do not use ALL pages but the option "from page x to page y", use 0 for y if you want it to the end...
frame attributes 2.jpg
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:40 pm
by Peter S.
"page range" from 2 or 3 through 0...
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:32 pm
by John Ruggero
In case it makes you feel any better, musicus,I used to have to painfully "figure out" page numbering in Finale every time I did it, which was fortunately infrequent, because page numbers were included in my main template. Way over-complicated and unclear.
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:46 pm
by David Ward
John Ruggero wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:32 pm
In case it makes you feel any better, musicus,I used to have to painfully "figure out" page numbering in Finale every time I did it, which was fortunately infrequent, because page numbers were included in my main template. Way over-complicated and unclear.
Ditto here (plus why can't one have different page offsets in each part and in the score, as is, I believe, easy in both Sibelius and Dorico?).
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:24 pm
by musicus
Indeed, that does make me feel a bit better. As if Mozart or any great composer would present a new score to an orchestra and they would hesitate to consider it because of the page numbering. And yet the "guidelines" from different souces tell us these things. Take books, for example. I have yet to figure out the widespread convention of hiding page 1, or even pages 1 and 2. (Perhaps they might say that page 1 is obvious and that we don't need to see it printed. If that is the reason, then wouldn't page 2 also be obvious.) I dunno.
John Ruggero wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:32 pm
In case it makes you feel any better, musicus,I used to have to painfully "figure out" page numbering in Finale every time I did it, which was fortunately infrequent, because page numbers were included in my main template. Way over-complicated and unclear.
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:25 pm
by musicus
Ditto from me. See my comment above to John R.
David Ward wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 3:46 pm
John Ruggero wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:32 pm
In case it makes you feel any better, musicus,I used to have to painfully "figure out" page numbering in Finale every time I did it, which was fortunately infrequent, because page numbers were included in my main template. Way over-complicated and unclear.
Ditto here (plus why can't one have different page offsets in each part and in the score, as is, I believe, easy in both Sibelius and Dorico?).
Re: simple but baffled
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:10 pm
by musicus
Thanks.
Peter S. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 11:40 pm
"page range" from 2 or 3 through 0...