Finale 25 trasposition oddity

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Post by clancyweeks » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:59 pm

Did a quick search, and didn't find another posting on this...

I have an orchestral score and every instrument is playing back as it should. Loving the fact that transposing instruments now play the correct pitches on entry. HOWEVER, using Human Playback, the instant the Horn part plays a note that Finale thinks is out of range (it's not) the horns now sound a major third lower than written. If I close the file and reopen, everything plays fine again until we reach that one note.

This is a real head-scratcher, and one I've never seen before in nearly 30 years of using the software.
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Post by zuill » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:03 pm

Must be something like an unwanted Instrument change or an errant Pitch bend.

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Post by clancyweeks » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:11 pm

None of those (intentionally) in the score. And it only occurs once the "out of range" note is played. I do have glisses leading to each, but the others work fine when I remove that one note. And that one note is at the end of the phrase.
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Post by zuill » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:16 pm

Glisses use pitch bend, so possibly it is sticking. Try deleting the glisses and see what happens. Also, out of range notes generally don't play with Garritan samples, as the out of range notes are not included in the sample. So, are you using SoftSynth, or a different sample set?

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Post by clancyweeks » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:17 pm

Here's a link to the file if you're interested...

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Au9ybOLovx4Oyp0KoxLgZAQP7HUHRg

The offending passage is in measures 33-35 in the horns. Remove the last note, save and reopen, and everything works. Play it once with the note, and the odd transposition occurs.
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Post by motet » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:28 pm

When I go to play it, it says I have an old version of the Aria player, but if I switch to MIDI playback, I don't experience the problem. So perhaps it's the Aria player?

I tried it with range check set to Intermidiate and set to off and it didn't seem to make a difference.

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Post by clancyweeks » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:29 pm

Taking out the last gliss solves the transposition problem, but now I don't have the gliss.
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Post by zuill » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:50 pm

I created a hidden expression with gliss set to 0 for playback at that measure and it seems to cure the stuck gliss problem.

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Post by clancyweeks » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:09 pm

I'll try that. Thanks!
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