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HP 5200 Printer?

Postby John Ruggero » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:55 pm

Several years ago, some Finale users recommended the HP 5200 (also 5000 and 5100) laser printer as excellent for music. Is this printer still being used and compatible with present versions of the Mac OS and Finale? I can't find a current comparable model and considering getting a refurbished 5200. I need at least 11 x 17, duplex and card stock printing, and it must be a laser printer.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby motet » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:43 pm

I have a 5000 and it still works. They were very well made and a rebuilt 5200 should be fine. If you're doing any kind of volume I would steer clear of consumer model printers. The duplexer on my 5000 broke some time ago and I couldn't get a replacement part, but I make do manually duplexing.

It still works under Windows (I think Finale is irrelevant). I would look on the HP site to see if there's a driver for whatever Mac OS you have, though. I think there are other Mac users here with that line of HP printer, so hopefully they'll chime in.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby michelp » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:40 pm

My 5100 works with the Mac. 10.11.6.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby John Ruggero » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:32 pm

Thanks, Motet and michelp. I did notice duplexers for the 5000 series on sale. Can they do 11 x 17 duplex printing?
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby motet » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:46 pm

Please tell me where you saw the duplexers for sale.

The 5000 can duplex 11 x 17 but not 12 x 18--you can manually duplex the latter. I don't know about the 5200.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby John Ruggero » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:19 pm

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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby motet » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:03 pm

Thanks. Yes, not worth the price to me.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby mknoll » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:07 pm

None of the 5000 Series printers (5000, 5100, 5200) have Bonjour, so they won't be plug and play. They work fine when set up via IP instead of Bonjour, though.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby MikeHalloran » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:06 pm

mknoll wrote:None of the 5000 Series printers (5000, 5100, 5200) have Bonjour, so they won't be plug and play. They work fine when set up via IP instead of Bonjour, though.

Bonjour is not necessary if there's a direct connection but most do set up laser printers on networks. I don't know the 5200 except that HP says it connects via USB or network. Most HP laser jets have a built-in print server so connecting via IP is easy. If not, compatible Ethernet/USB print servers can be found from $25 up — if sending a large job to the printer affects your Mac (or PC), the $$ spent on a server will be well worth it.

These print drivers are not listed as being part of the OS after Mavericks and there's no getting them separately from HP. This only means that they might not be available in a clean install, not that they can't be found or won't work. If you updated your OS from Mavericks or earlier, the drivers will be there (I deal with customers' incompatible Canon printers — copying the right ones in is no big deal). The Apple and HP lists on this are notoriously never current and it's very possible that the current drivers are there.

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04835529

Normally, if the drivers are not pre-installed, the OS will make a query and, if current drivers are available, they will be downloaded. This also happens if Bonjour is supported. If this doesn't happen on a network install over IP, the first thing to try is a usb connection—once the drivers have been downloaded, you can go back to IP. Again, if that doesn't work, this nut is easily cracked. BTW, the 5200 is the only one of the 5000 series that supports USB.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby motet » Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:33 pm

The 5000 series has a networking option called JetDirect which is an EIO print server. I recommend getting that option. Being old, my model doesn't do DHCP, but you can key in the IP address of your choice on the front panel. I have hooked it up at various times to both a router (wired) and directly to the PC, the latter via both an Ethernet hub and a crossover cable. Some technical chops are helpful in doing this.

They typically put an N after the model if it has JetDirect, so a 5000n has JetDirect, a 5000dn has a duplexer and JetDirect, etc.

Mine is pre-USB, so can't comment on that.

I spent yesterday manually duplexing a whole bunch of music and I definitely recommend getting a duplexer if you can. After printing on one side, the paper curls (to a lesser or greater extent depending on the quality of paper) which can cause jamming when you send it back through to print the other side via a paper tray. The duplexer isn't bothered by the curling (which is largely cancelled out by printing on the other side).
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby BuonTempi » Sat Apr 29, 2017 12:52 pm

I have a 5200, and it works brilliantly. These models DO use Bonjour (mDNS) to advertise their presence on a network, so you don't need to muck about with IP addresses (though you still can if you want). In other words, plug, and play.

The drivers for 5200, 5100 and 5000s are all included in Apple's HP print driver package, which should download when you Add the printer in System Prefs. Although Apple updates the whole package often, the drivers for these models rarely change. (There's not much needs changing - they interpret PS and PDF natively.)

The 5200 is a substantial redesign over the 5100 and 5000s. The cartridges for the older models seemed to be increasingly rarer and more expensive. The 5200 duplexer is much better: I almost never have any jams, which were frequent on the other two. The register between sides is excellent (and can be adjusted). NB: You can't put a 5000 duplexer in a 5200.

It's always good to check the HP site for firmware updates, and you can add RAM modules, jumbo SD cards, hard drives and network cards -- eBay is your friend. If you've got the network card in, you can connect it to an Apple Airport Express to make it stand alone on your WiFi network!

I get around 7,000 A3 sides for each toner cartridge, and the fuser needs replacing around every 100,000 pages.

As it happens, I do have a spare 5200 DTN, if anyone's passing South London. Low mileage, one careful lady owner....
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby MikeHalloran » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:04 pm

BuonTempi wrote:I have a 5200, and it works brilliantly. These models DO use Bonjour (mDNS) to advertise their presence on a network, so you don't need to muck about with IP addresses (though you still can if you want). In other words, plug, and play....

I figured they should when I saw the USB connection but, without confirmation on the Apple or HP sites, I didn't want to speculate.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby John Ruggero » Fri May 05, 2017 1:03 pm

Thank you everyone for the very valuable additional information concerning the 5200, which is what I will probably get plus the duplexer.
A final question: does it need special venting?
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby BuonTempi » Mon May 08, 2017 11:28 am

John Ruggero wrote:A final question: does it need special venting?

It has a small fan that blows air out on the right hand side (at the top and back of the main block, though the paper trays stick further out the back). I dare say you could put that side close to a wall with no problems.

For a warm, electrostatic device, it also copes remarkably well with cat hair.
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Re: HP 5200 Printer?

Postby John Ruggero » Thu May 11, 2017 12:29 pm

Thanks Buontempi. I asked because some of the later professional models need venting to the outside, and we are concerned about environmental hazards. Animal hair won't be an issue. :)
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