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Rodney Lister
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Post by Rodney Lister » Thu May 12, 2016 4:21 pm

Can somebody tell me how you've managed to, for instance, put in two groups of two triplet quarter notes?

Also if you had a bar which contains, for instance, a quarter note and a triplet eighth note, what time signature do you put in? If I've tried to put in 1.333333, which worked in earlier versions of Finale (which incidentally is a maddeningly not suitable substitute for 1 1/3/4). When I've put the notes in Finale adds a few rests--randomly, as far as I can figure out.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,

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Post by miker » Thu May 12, 2016 7:37 pm

Welcome to the forum.

For the first problem, you can either turn off Check for Extra Notes in Simple Entry Options, or take a look at my tutorial at http://www.specialmillwork.com/finale-t ... ntry-2.pdf

I'm a little confused by the second question. Usually, you would have determined the time signature before you put in the triplets.
But...

Since a triplet of three quarter notes is equal in duration to two quarter notes, two of them would fit in a 4/4 measure.

Also, if you have a quarter note, and an eighth note triplet (equal to two eighth notes, or, one quarter note) then that would go in a 2/4 measure.

If I have misunderstood the question, try again!
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 13, 2016 6:10 am

Rodney Lister wrote:…if you had a bar which contains, for instance, a quarter note and a triplet eighth note, what time signature do you put in?…
In this case there are two time signatures to consider:
1) The “real” time signature - to make playback and music spacing work.
2) The “display” time signature - to show in the layout.

1) As the “real” time signature, put in 1/4 + 1/16 + 1/64 + 21/4096.
2) For the “display” time signature, the simplest solution is 1/3.
You will have to hide the measure’s “real” time signature.
Use the Expression Tool to create a false time signature for the display.

See the attached Finale document.
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Post by miker » Fri May 13, 2016 1:29 pm

Peter,
Sorry, but I'm completely confused. What did I miss in the question?
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 13, 2016 1:58 pm

Mike,

There is a slight difference between “a triplet eighth note” (= Rodney Lister’s wording) and “an eighth note triplet” (= your wording).

I could be wrong here, but I think that Rodney is talking about a single eighth note from a triplet.
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Post by miker » Fri May 13, 2016 4:16 pm

Then does the rest of the triplet continue over the bar? If not, and he only wants one-third of a quarter note, following a complete quarter note, then I will fall back on my standard comment in such a case: WRITE NORMAL MUSIC.

You would get the much same effect with a short quarter and a sixteenth, and musicians will immediately know how to play it.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 13, 2016 5:10 pm

miker wrote:…WRITE NORMAL MUSIC…
Actually the music itself is “normal”.
What is not so “normal” here, is the layout - with an incomplete tuplet.

I attach the same example in a more “normal” layout.
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