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Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:19 am

I can't get the Repitch Tool to work any more. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby zuill » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:50 am

Not I. But I'm on Windows. Mac might have an issue. Are you in the correct layer?

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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:02 am

I'm most definitely in the right layer. I'll give this a try in 2014.5 and see what happens.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:05 am

It still works in 2014.5 so it looks like a problem with 25.2 on the Mac. Grrr! My first report to MM this year.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby zuill » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:15 am

Report early and report often. Let's keep them on their toes.

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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:46 am

Agreed. Let's hope they still have some toes left...
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby michelp » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:04 pm

Hi Vaughan,

I have tested Repitch in 25.2 on the Mac (with 10.11.6) and it works...
Maybe a restart will fix your problem.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby miker » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:05 pm

Works for me with 10.11.6, as well.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:14 pm

Might be a problem with 10.12.2. This update broke a number of things.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby BuonTempi » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:55 am

Repitch works for me on 10.12.2. Is this with a MIIDI keyboard, or with the computer keys? Or both?
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:05 pm

It's with a MIDI keyboard. I'm away from home right now and bought a new MIDI controller (Acorn masterkey 49) and thought it might have to do with that, but it works fine for entering notes and Repitch works with this setup in 2014.5 so it must be something else. And yes, I've tried restarting.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:41 pm

It turned out to be a 'corrupted' preferences file, whatever that means. Since removing it and redoing my preferences, the Repitch Tool works normally. I'd be curious to know how the preferences file can disturb a single function, and what might have caused it. Oh well, Finale moves in curious ways...
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby motet » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:06 pm

The "Preferences" file in reality seems to be all manner of other things that Finale remembers in addition to what preferences have been set. It would be nice if they separated the two so the user doesn't have to suffer recreating their preferences when one of the myriad Finale bugs rears its head.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Vaughan » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:10 pm

+1!
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby motet » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:18 pm

I wonder if it would work to keep a copy of a "good" finale.ini file (or Mac equivalent) and copy this back in such situations rather than deleting.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby miker » Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:34 pm

It has often been suggested to keep a "clean" prefs file, for just that reason.

I would still delete the flawed one and restart, before copying the clean one back in.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby Charles Lawrence » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:01 pm

Vaughan wrote:It turned out to be a 'corrupted' preferences file, whatever that means. Since removing it and redoing my preferences, the Repitch Tool works normally. I'd be curious to know how the preferences file can disturb a single function, and what might have caused it. Oh well, Finale moves in curious ways...


One cannot argue with success, but on the Win side, I can find no reference to the Repitch Tool in FINALE.INI, unless it is in one of the undocumented settings found in the Program Options section, and cannot imagine how creating a new preferences file would help this situation. :?
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby zuill » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:11 pm

Since the problem had to do with MIDI input, it might be in the FINMIDI file. It may not be something obvious.

Before I recreate the ini files, I save the corrupted ones to study and compare with the newly created one. I can't say that I have ever found the cause of the problems, but I keep trying. By the way, I recreate them one at a time. No reason to rebuild both sets of preferences if only one is corrupt.

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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby BuonTempi » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:39 pm

Charles Lawrence wrote:on the Win side, I can find no reference to the Repitch Tool in FINALE.INI,

I believe the Windows Finale.ini file and the Mac .fprf file are very different. Prior to 25, the Mac pref file was just a large clump of numbers, and not human readable at all. Now, it's been revised and is XML, though some of it is still a large bunch of numbers surrounded by tags.

I'd be interested in seeing a Windows .ini file, for the sake of idle curiosity.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby motet » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:17 pm

Some things are labelled, but there's a bunch of numbers as well, so I wouldn't take a lack of literal reference to the repitch tool as evidence of much.
Code: Select all
...
MIDIEcho110=110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119
MIDIEcho120=120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 0 0
MIDIFixedEchoChannel=14
[Program Options]
UsageTracking=0
g0=0 17228 2 1 1 1 1 1 384 110
g10=150 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1
g20=0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
g30=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
g40=0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
g50=0 0 0 3 0 176 64 127 0 0
g60=96 0 0 176 64 127 1024 2 0 0
g70=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
g80=0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 192 60
g90=0 2 18531 360 1800 4 1 0 0 0
...
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby zuill » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:24 pm

The entries that start with g are the keyboard assignments. Jari used to have a utility for customizing this file to one's needs. That is now outdated. He actually has detailed instructions somewhere for editing these numbers, but I would back up my file first, as it could go awry, according to his own warning.

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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby motet » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:33 pm

I actually edit

[SpeedyKeys]
SK000=59 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 5
SK001=65549 0 0 -1 -1 -1 34
SK002=65582 0 -1 -1 -1 -1 23
...


to change key mapping in Speedy Entry (using information obtained from Jari). I didn't know about the G numbers.
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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby zuill » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:49 pm

You are correct. I mis-spoke. Sorry. I needed a second cup of coffee. Now all is well.

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Re: Repitch tool broken in 25.2?

Postby BuonTempi » Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:11 am

The new improved Mac pref file contains some parameters that could be set from the Unix shell, e.g.:

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   <key>showHyperscribeInRewireWarning</key>
   <string>1</string>
   <key>showPrintingSetsWarning</key>
   <string>1</string>
   <key>slaveToReWireMaster</key>
   <string>0</string>
   <key>transposeMIDIOnInput</key>
   <string>0</string>


But then it also has stuff like this, which is probably still where the trouble lies:
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   <key>FinalePreference-265</key>
   <data>
   YnBsaXN0MDDUAQIDBAUGJidYJHZlcnNpb25YJG9iamVjdHNZJGFyY2hpdmVyVCR0b3AS
   AAGGoKsHCBcYGRobHB0eH1UkbnVsbNMJCgsMERZXTlMua2V5c1pOUy5vYmplY3RzViRj
   bGFzc6QNDg8QgAKAA4AEgAWkEhMUFYAGgAeACIAJgApVV2lkdGhWSGVpZ2h0UVlRWCNA
   o8QAAAAAACNAlhwAAAAAACNAAAAAAAAAACNAOgAAAAAAANIgISIjWiRjbGFzc25hbWVY
   JGNsYXNzZXNfEBNOU011dGFibGVEaWN0aW9uYXJ5oyIkJVxOU0RpY3Rpb25hcnlYTlNP
   YmplY3RfEA9OU0tleWVkQXJjaGl2ZXLRKClUcm9vdIABAAgAEQAaACMALQAyADcAQwBJ
   AFAAWABjAGoAbwBxAHMAdQB3AHwAfgCAAIIAhACGAIwAkwCVAJcAoACpALIAuwDAAMsA
   1ADqAO4A+wEEARYBGQEeAAAAAAAAAgEAAAAAAAAAKgAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASA=
   </data>
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