finale and cubase
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hi
i've been using cubase for a while and finale too , and i always have the same problem when it comes to write down the score
of course cubase is worthless at scoring , so i write the whole score on finale
can you tell me the best and fastest solution to write the score from cubase?
i heard that there is dorico , does anyone ever tried this soft , and is it worthit compared to finale?
i tried to export a file from cubase and import it through finale , never worked so far..
i've been using cubase for a while and finale too , and i always have the same problem when it comes to write down the score
of course cubase is worthless at scoring , so i write the whole score on finale
can you tell me the best and fastest solution to write the score from cubase?
i heard that there is dorico , does anyone ever tried this soft , and is it worthit compared to finale?
i tried to export a file from cubase and import it through finale , never worked so far..
- michelp
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Have you tried to export a MusicXML file from Cubase, a format that Finale can import ?
Michel
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- MikeHalloran
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Dorico does not integrate into Cubase according to the many complaints on the Dorico forum. It’s on the list of things to be done someday...
Dorico’s MusicXML implementation leaves a lot to be desired — improvement is also on the list, hopefully with a higher priority.
Cubase Pro is the only version that supports MusicXML. Here is the feature list from Steinberg Support:
https://steinberg.help/cubase_pro_artis ... ing_c.html
Dorico’s MusicXML implementation leaves a lot to be desired — improvement is also on the list, hopefully with a higher priority.
Cubase Pro is the only version that supports MusicXML. Here is the feature list from Steinberg Support:
https://steinberg.help/cubase_pro_artis ... ing_c.html
Mike Halloran
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- michelp
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Or, as Mike mentioned, update to Cubase PRO, which handles MusicXML.
Michel
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- apkyburz
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A late post, but you might consider Tim Davies' approach.
He's an AA motion-picture orchestrator/conductor and his professional life is centered around putting film-composer's DAW-files into Finale.
Here is his video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCuJfXhS9s&t=2757s
He works from DP to finale, but I adapted his workflow to Cubase.
Feel free to shoot me a pm if you have any questions about it, I might be able to help you.
Cheers
He's an AA motion-picture orchestrator/conductor and his professional life is centered around putting film-composer's DAW-files into Finale.
Here is his video about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCuJfXhS9s&t=2757s
He works from DP to finale, but I adapted his workflow to Cubase.
Feel free to shoot me a pm if you have any questions about it, I might be able to help you.
Cheers
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Here's Alan Silvestri's workflow from Cubase to Dorico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrDqGEQux7g
Currently, you can drag MIDI directly from Cubase into Dorico. Markers and Tempo tracks in MIDI files are also imported.
Dorico imports XML very well, but exports it poorly.
- dankreider
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Dorico 3.1, which just came out, greatly improves XML import. I’d call it quite functional now, though of course there’s always room for improvement.
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- MikeHalloran
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I agree only with the exports…poorly part.Dorico imports XML very well, but exports it poorly.
Dan is right. Dorico 3.1 is much improved in this regard but still not as good as Notion 6 or Finale—yet?dankreider wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:58 pmDorico 3.1, which just came out, greatly improves XML import. I’d call it quite functional now, though of course there’s always room for improvement.
There's a composer I work with whose Sibelius scores I realize by importing his MusicXML into Notion 6, assigning or replacing VIs and record. I don't use Notion for anything else but it is a fantastic tool for this use and worth every penny of the $79 crossgrade. Finale works but Notion saves me many hours per project. My client could also pay the $79, of course, but he doesn't have the thou$and$ invested in VI libraries that I have so he prefers to pay me to do this.
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- apkyburz
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Hi Mike,MikeHalloran wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:04 amEveryone is entitled to their opinion but I agree only with the exports…poorly part.Dorico imports XML very well, but exports it poorly.
Dan is right. Dorico 3.1 is much improved in this regard but still not as good as Notion 6 or Finale—yet?dankreider wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:58 pmDorico 3.1, which just came out, greatly improves XML import. I’d call it quite functional now, though of course there’s always room for improvement.
There's a composer I work with whose Sibelius scores I realize by importing his MusicXML into Notion 6, assigning or replacing VIs and record. I don't use Notion for anything else but it is a fantastic tool for this use and worth every penny of the $79 crossgrade. Finale works but Notion saves me many hours per project. My client could also pay the $79, of course, but he doesn't have the thou$and$ invested in VI libraries that I have so he prefers to pay me to do this.
Your workflow sounds very appealing. Do you have videos or a blog where you elaborate?
Best,
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No I don’t but it wouldn’t be that hard to do.apkyburz wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:23 pmHi Mike,MikeHalloran wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:04 amEveryone is entitled to their opinion but I agree only with the exports…poorly part.Dorico imports XML very well, but exports it poorly.
Dan is right. Dorico 3.1 is much improved in this regard but still not as good as Notion 6 or Finale—yet?dankreider wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:58 pmDorico 3.1, which just came out, greatly improves XML import. I’d call it quite functional now, though of course there’s always room for improvement.
There's a composer I work with whose Sibelius scores I realize by importing his MusicXML into Notion 6, assigning or replacing VIs and record. I don't use Notion for anything else but it is a fantastic tool for this use and worth every penny of the $79 crossgrade. Finale works but Notion saves me many hours per project. My client could also pay the $79, of course, but he doesn't have the thou$and$ invested in VI libraries that I have so he prefers to pay me to do this.
Your workflow sounds very appealing. Do you have videos or a blog where you elaborate?
Best,
Unfortunately, spare time is a precious commodity. I’m spending a huge number of hours helping churches do services online. If I ever work with my choirs and bands in person again, it would be fun to knock something out. I wouldn’t use one of my clients’ scores, of course, but I could outline what a one-page test score should include to demonstrate the principles involved.
Thing is that while doing this online work, I’ve picked up a number of tips and tricks that make creating such videos easier so I’d like to get into that.
Mike Halloran
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- apkyburz
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Sounds great, Mike! If you ever get to it, give me a shout! Looking forward.MikeHalloran wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:11 am
No I don’t but it wouldn’t be that hard to do.
Unfortunately, spare time is a precious commodity. I’m spending a huge number of hours helping churches do services online. If I ever work with my choirs and bands in person again, it would be fun to knock something out. I wouldn’t use one of my clients’ scores, of course, but I could outline what a one-page test score should include to demonstrate the principles involved.
Thing is that while doing this online work, I’ve picked up a number of tips and tricks that make creating such videos easier so I’d like to get into that.
Best,
apkyburz
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Cubase is limited for scoring; use Dorico for a dedicated solution. Export Cubase files as MusicXML for Finale. Dorico, by Steinberg, integrates well with Cubase. Try different software like Sibelius to find what suits your workflow best. Happy scoring!
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That seems backward to me. Print from Finale and export a midi file to import into Cubase. That preserves Human Playback which can then be finessed in Cubase for a playback file.pgdaskalakis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:55 pmCubase is limited for scoring; ...Export Cubase files as MusicXML for Finale....
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I've been in a similar spot, juggling Cubase and Finale for scoring. It's true; Cubase isn't the best for scoring directly. Regarding Dorico, I've heard good things about it and how it integrates better with Cubase compared to Finale, but I haven't tried it.
I recently switched to Cubase 13, and it's been a better experience for me. The new Channel Tab is handy for quick access to mixing settings from the main window. Also, the MixConsole got a nice makeover, making it easier and more pleasant to work with. The new tools for vocal processing, like the Steinberg Vocoder and EQ plugins, are excellent for adding some polish to vocals. For more detailed info on Cubase 13's features, you might want to check out https://faqaudio.com/t/cubase-13/30. In my experience, it’s been a significant upgrade from the previous versions.
I recently switched to Cubase 13, and it's been a better experience for me. The new Channel Tab is handy for quick access to mixing settings from the main window. Also, the MixConsole got a nice makeover, making it easier and more pleasant to work with. The new tools for vocal processing, like the Steinberg Vocoder and EQ plugins, are excellent for adding some polish to vocals. For more detailed info on Cubase 13's features, you might want to check out https://faqaudio.com/t/cubase-13/30. In my experience, it’s been a significant upgrade from the previous versions.
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There's no specific integration between Dorico and Cubase yet. You can drag MIDI directly from Cubase into Dorico (or from any other app that supports dragging). And MusicXML between the two is flawless. But some greater degree of connection between the two is certainly on the cards. I'd be very surprised if Dorico 6 doesn't have some DAW-connectivity features; and they have a track record of adding surprising and impressively powerful features.Corpsegrinder wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:39 pmRegarding Dorico, I've heard good things about it and how it integrates better with Cubase compared to Finale, but I haven't tried it.
The latest versions of Sibelius and Pro Tools now offer MIDI copy-and-paste through the clipboard. This works in either direction, with any other app that supports it. Finale has had MIDI-via-pasteboard for donkeys' years, though I'm not sure why, as no other app seems to have supported it until now. (I did ask MM if they knew of any other apps that would receive MIDI over the pasteboard, and they didn't.)
Notion and Presonus, I believe, also have some 'live updating' between the two.
Finale is somewhat at a disadvantage by not have a tame stablemate DAW that it can be paired with.
Logic doesn't import/export MIDI data on the pasteboard with other apps at the moment.