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by John Ruggero
Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:51 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

Thanks, Anders. I think you are right. I may start a thread on pedaling over at Notat.io. Actually, there is a previous thread at https://notat.io/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=75&sid=0bbce2f8ec52db00759c53486d41a3c3 There is another benefit or having two completely different systems of pedal marks. In Urtext...
by John Ruggero
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:13 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

I can't see that it really matters exactly where the instruction indicates the pedal to be depressed. As I tried to say before, all experienced pianists take most pedal instructions merely as a suggestion. I tried to answer that in my last post, Anders. In educational editions one is showing less e...
by John Ruggero
Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:33 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

Anders, I am not completely sure where the pedal is actually depressed in your last example. On the first note or on second note? And suppose one wanted to show that the pedal is depressed between the two notes? That's my issue with text as opposed to a simple line to start the bracket: it lacks pre...
by John Ruggero
Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

Thanks, RVSL. That's an interesting point. Could you post an example or a url? Another possibility occurred to me later. If the composer uses brackets above and below the staves to show something special, then some other form of bracket pedal notation might be necessary. In that case I think a P in ...
by John Ruggero
Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:41 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

I agree with your first statement, Anders, although it is hard for me to imagine a case where the text-bracket system would be preferable to the all-bracket system. But not with the second. I think that utility, clarity and simplicity should decide matters of music notation, not fashion. The thought...
by John Ruggero
Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:15 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

Hi Anders. Like you, I was pointing out the advantages of the all-bracket system over the the text-bracket system and that it works for any kind of pedaling including fractional without explanation. It is widely used in the US but less elsewhere apparently, because Elaine Gould didn't even mention i...
by John Ruggero
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:24 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

I think that the all-bracket system is best for intricate pedaling where the exact start for each pedal mark is important and there are many such indications in a row. Such exactitude is not possible when text rather than a line starts the bracket. pedal example.jpeg A small fraction can be placed i...
by John Ruggero
Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Ped. symbol
Replies: 20
Views: 416

Re: Ped. symbol

Yes, the FInale default position is standard. I hope you are not going to combine the Ped. symbol with a bracket. For me, that is the worst possible pedal system because it clutters up the music so much more than the simple Ped * without the increase in accuracy possible with all-bracket pedal notat...
by John Ruggero
Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Question on symbol
Replies: 9
Views: 326

Re: Question on symbol

Now, the OP needs to put us out of our misery and tell us if there is a footnote or other explanatory note to which the asterisk refers. I would love to know if my original guess was correct: the grace note should be played simultaneously with the chord and then released quickly.
by John Ruggero
Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: correct grace note slur
Replies: 8
Views: 242

Re: correct grace note slur

Hi Hector. I think both of your original versions are fine. It just depends on what tonguing you want.
by John Ruggero
Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:44 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Question on symbol
Replies: 9
Views: 326

Re: Question on symbol

Were it a kind of asterisk, which is a good guess, one would think the OP would have seen the footnote at the bottom of the page. So perhaps there is an explanatory note that is being missed or was not supplied to the OP.
by John Ruggero
Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:50 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Question on symbol
Replies: 9
Views: 326

Re: Question on symbol

Just a guess. Since it appears to be a jazz arrangement, it could be the arranger's way of indicating a grace note that is to be played simultaneously with the chord and then released quickly.
by John Ruggero
Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:19 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Strange/Incorrect/Unwanted Behaviour in 12/8
Replies: 14
Views: 325

Re: Strange/Incorrect/Unwanted Behaviour in 12/8

Same strange behavior here. Maybe input a dotted quarter note and then a dotted quarter rest each time the situation occurs?
by John Ruggero
Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:05 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Is it notation standard for the pedal on/off symbols to not follow a horizontal line?
Replies: 18
Views: 526

Re: Is it notation standard for the pedal on/off symbols to not follow a horizontal line?

The Ped. without a * is the way some have indicated overlapping pedal while still using the old system. It's interesting that Chopin never hit on this way of showing overlapping pedal and this has created many issues. The few times he uses a Ped. without an * it means other things. After the first C...
by John Ruggero
Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:22 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Is it notation standard for the pedal on/off symbols to not follow a horizontal line?
Replies: 18
Views: 526

Re: Is it notation standard for the pedal on/off symbols to not follow a horizontal line?

Back to your original question. No it is not standard for the Ped . * style of pedal markings to align. In fact even a single Ped . doesn't have to align with its own * release. For examples of extensive Ped. * markings check out: https://ks.imslp.net/files/imglnks/usimg/2/22/IMSLP03692-Godowsky_cho...
by John Ruggero
Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:15 pm
Forum: Beginners
Topic: How do I automatically connect Smart Shapes (for Pedal Diagram)
Replies: 1
Views: 169

Re: How do I automatically connect Smart Shapes (for Pedal Diagram)

Yes, one would think there would be such an obviously-needed functionality. "But noooooooo...."
by John Ruggero
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:06 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: ties
Replies: 6
Views: 280

Re: ties

I agree totally about the clutter, but unfortunately holding notes through each other in keyboard music is something that causes unavoidable complexity given our notational system. Sometimes the double stems are omitted for faster written-out broken chords in a even rhythm, but not, in my experience...
by John Ruggero
Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:12 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: ties
Replies: 6
Views: 280

Re: ties

That's it. But you can omit the rests, they are understood. And, of course, do some nice things with the spacing so the dot on the dotted quarter note is not crowded. Check out the bottom system of page 12 (ms. 163 etc. of the last movement) for a famous example of this: http://ks4.imslp.net/files/i...
by John Ruggero
Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: ties
Replies: 6
Views: 280

Re: ties

Yes, that would be confusing for many. I would notate it the normal way with double note heads and/or stems and long ties. And depending on the situation, you might need to write non pedale, as well.
by John Ruggero
Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:55 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: SmartScore scanning glitches
Replies: 7
Views: 222

Re: SmartScore scanning glitches

If you are planning on doing a lot of scanning, buy the latest edition of SmartScore at their website. It is far superior to the lite version that used to come with Finale. You will have a lot less head-scratching to do.
by John Ruggero
Mon May 11, 2020 12:40 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Anacrusis and the last bar
Replies: 15
Views: 664

Re: Anacrusis and the last bar

It depends on the piece. Many pieces that start with an anacrusis have the same iambic grouping:
3|1 2 3|1 2 etc.
at the end as well, so the last bar would naturally be incomplete. Other pieces might have an anacrusis at the beginning only, so the last measure would be complete.
by John Ruggero
Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: Beginners
Topic: Help with Layers
Replies: 3
Views: 729

Re: Help with Layers

Passing notes are not usually placed in a separate voice. Perhaps you really want the following?
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by John Ruggero
Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:40 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: appearance - stems
Replies: 4
Views: 415

Re: appearance - stems

No. 1 would be best if the accompaniment is sometimes above and sometimes below a single main melody line. No. 2 would be best if there are two main melodic voices as in a duet between a alto and a soprano voice, the alto below the accompaniment with stems down and soprano above the accompaniment wi...
by John Ruggero
Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:35 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Problem 'Articolazioni' (Smart shape tool when PRINT)
Replies: 48
Views: 3823

Re: Problem 'Articolazioni' (Smart shape tool when PRINT)

Anders, I have produced the PDFs both ways: with the graphics tool or through the print menu. No problems either way. I used to go the eps to Acrobat distiller route, but no longer.