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by Anders Hedelin
Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:39 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

I had enough of this highly-strung nonsense.
(Not directed at you, musicus.)
Thank you and good bye.
by Anders Hedelin
Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:54 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

But how do musical dictionaries get written in the first place? Are there no biases there? The music dictionaries I have on my bookshelf, one American, one Swedish, are both correct in this respect. No "biases" there. Plus Gould, of course. Likewise unbiased. The problem is that you must be able to...
by Anders Hedelin
Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

I may be mistaken, but much of the discussion in this thread tends to disregard terms defined in text books. Gould refers to portato as a microtonal bowing technique. She is inclined to view gliss. as a chromatic slide, which has always been my understanding. If the terms portamento and glissando a...
by Anders Hedelin
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:44 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

Also I had these "conversations" with composers when I was a student. Only, that I staged them between the composers themselves - Mahler, Sibelius, Ravel and Stravinsky fx. Now I can even take part in some conversations myself. About the ambiguities of music notation: that's just how it is, and than...
by Anders Hedelin
Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:16 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

Among all the performing musicians I've encountered in my life, many of them very well educated, I've often found a certain reluctance to look too deep into dictionaries. What works in the practical communication among - educated - musicians is considered good enough. No need to split hairs. To go d...
by Anders Hedelin
Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:40 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

Jay Emmes wrote:
Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:27 pm
I would like to advocate the discontinuation of the use of such confusing terms.
They are not confusing for non-academic musicians. The informed part of them knows perfectly well what nowadays is meant by either term.
by Anders Hedelin
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:53 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

Maybe so, or, as I've heard, as just detached. The point was that they didn't mean accentuated staccato at the time.
by Anders Hedelin
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:44 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

It's interesting, and in the line of different interpretations, that Haydn used vertical lines for detached, portato notes (here from a so called Urtext edition where the vertical lines have become very thin wedges): Haydn - detached notes.PNG In a 19th century edition these lines had mistakenly cha...
by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:54 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

motet wrote:
Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:19 pm
But if you wanted the slurs to match in all the instruments playing there, where some don't have repeated notes, they I think mine would be preferable.
That's a point of course.
by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:23 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

That's interesting. Would you say that this is different, or less common?
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by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:06 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

A lot of interesting discussion. What has always intrigued me over the years has been how different recordings are of classical pieces, where the artists are basically reading the same music with the same markings. My point is that whatever you put, chances are the performer will interpret what the...
by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:49 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

Musicus: you might alternately consider using "détaché" as a text indication. It is very precise - being neither staccato nor legato. It is also perfectly standard in piano notation. "Detachè" is a typical string term. It's not at all frequent in piano music. I would avoid the use of (as some here ...
by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:52 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

The "non legato", as suggested by Zuill, is mainly typical for somewhat faster notes. With very fast ones it comes close to a staccato. Meaning that if you separate very fast notes they feel more like staccato than portato. Meaning again that there is no sense in using dots and slurs on very fast si...
by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

The way of portato with staccati and slurs is that the slur always goes outside the dots. I've made some changes in your file to demonstrate that. The placements of staccati can be a little different in this case.
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by Anders Hedelin
Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:39 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 61
Views: 737

Re: portamento

Let's have the terminology right. What the OP clearly is referring to is "portato" not "portamento". Portamento (sliding between notes) is, as pointed out, impossible on a piano. Portato - detached, something between staccato and legato - is frequently used. Traditional ways of notating portato is w...
by Anders Hedelin
Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:07 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Alternative key signature
Replies: 9
Views: 142

Re: Alternative key signature

Maybe OT. I've not seen that symbol before myself, but it seems that it tells the same as Baroque textbooks on performance: that an arpeggio always should start on the beat. (A practice that is much debated among performers by the way.) The reason why introducing a symbol for this could be to make c...
by Anders Hedelin
Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:50 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Alternative key signature
Replies: 9
Views: 142

Re: Alternative key signature

Well, that sounds reassuring, if it's true.
by Anders Hedelin
Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:43 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Alternative key signature
Replies: 9
Views: 142

Re: Alternative key signature

I hope I don't infringe on the composer's copyright now, but as I've understood it, it means that the chord should be somewhat delayed because of the arpeggio.
by Anders Hedelin
Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:04 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Alternative key signature
Replies: 9
Views: 142

Re: Alternative key signature

That's a good point.
by Anders Hedelin
Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:11 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Alternative key signature
Replies: 9
Views: 142

Re: Alternative key signature

Thanks Peter. I already did the same, but I just wondered, to be sure.
by Anders Hedelin
Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:58 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Alternative key signature
Replies: 9
Views: 142

Alternative key signature

Does anyone know if this alternative key signature is to be found readymade in a font?
Alternative key signature.jpg
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The natural means 'white keys only', the sharp 'black keys only' (all notes are sharped).
by Anders Hedelin
Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:01 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Text block snafu
Replies: 10
Views: 203

Re: Text block snafu

"Snafu". That one was new to me. Fortunately Google helped me out before I got into a serious snafu.
by Anders Hedelin
Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: X noteheads
Replies: 3
Views: 125

Re: X noteheads

Peter, I had no other reasons than aesthetic ones. I can well see your point, even if I don't feel that my second, hand-made example is that unclear. The circular noteheads is simply too far from my idea of how notes should look, that's all. I've seen litterally standard white noteheads with an x in...
by Anders Hedelin
Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:55 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: X noteheads
Replies: 3
Views: 125

X noteheads

I have looked for whole and half notes with X noteheads, but not found any really satisfying ones. Very likely it has been discussed here before, but I couldn't find that either. If someone knows about such a thread, please direct me there. My problem is that in the standard fonts with Finale there ...
by Anders Hedelin
Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:01 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: spacing
Replies: 14
Views: 339

Re: spacing

Empty staves may not seem that informative, but on the other hand it spells out that the conductor can leave that section in peace for a moment.