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by musicus
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:25 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

At the moment I can't put it into Finale, but the use of the slur/staccato combo is frequent in the piano literature. One example is Beethoven's piano sonata #10, Andante, meas.49 (and elsewhere in that mvt.) With 50+ years of piano playing I have little confusion about how to interpret it. It is si...
by musicus
Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:38 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

Thank you, Anders.
Anders Hedelin wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:39 pm
I had enough of this highly-strung nonsense.
(Not directed at you, musicus.)
Thank you and good bye.
by musicus
Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:08 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I didn't "dismiss" any of these sources. So, you dismiss the New Grove, the Dolmetsch and the Riemann as non authoritative? Wow, speaking of 'bias'. There should be little to no surprise that within a region, within a community there is a consensus on the meaning of words (this applies not only to m...
by musicus
Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:45 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

But how do musical dictionaries get written in the first place? Are there no biases there? Taking a second look at the OP, I get the impression that the composer is trying to abbreviate the phrase, perhaps to simplify reading. If I wanted to ensure this particular section is played as later describe...
by musicus
Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:43 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

Correcto!
zuill wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:29 pm
This is a piece for piano, so bowing technique would be irrelevant. There isn't a need for glissando. It is all about the connection, or lack thereof, from note to note. No sliding involved.

Zuill
by musicus
Mon Sep 21, 2020 7:03 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

"Very confusing words..." Yes, Beethoven had the same idea when he started to use metronome markings to a greater degree. And the publishers - who are middle men - can add to the confusion. And let's not forget composers too, who, after all, are human and prone to error. Not to create a new topic he...
by musicus
Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I don't know...as a pianist I look at both versions and to tell you quite frankly, I would shrug. There's the notes and there's the articulation marks. The combination of the two is what I see, rather than the slight difference (IMO) between those articulation marks. The bigger difference occurs wit...
by musicus
Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I appreciate that. I am very bad about this, I guess I never took the time to learn how to do it. It seems to complicated for my simple mind. When you quote someone and then respond to them, type your response outside the <quote></quote> tags. Otherwise, you can't tell the quoter from the quotee. If...
by musicus
Mon Sep 21, 2020 2:22 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

Regarding the slur/staccato issue, I see your point about avoiding clutter. At the same time, when, as a pianist, I look at someone's score and there is no indication at all - to avoid clutter - I say to myself "I don't know what the composer means." I see the notes, but that's all I see. That's no...
by musicus
Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:09 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I agree - thank you for that. The "non legato", as suggested by Zuill, is mainly typical for somewhat faster notes. With very fast ones it comes close to a staccato. Meaning that if you separate very fast notes they feel more like staccato than portato. Meaning again that there is no sense in using ...
by musicus
Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I accept that. And I will add that if I see the slur/staccato combination (portato) it does not confuse me. Let's have the terminology right. What the OP clearly is referring to is "portato" not "portamento". Portamento (sliding between notes) is, as pointed out, impossible on a piano. Portato - det...
by musicus
Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

While I partially agree with you on potentials for confusion (hence so many different interpretations of classical music), I question your statement: "If one is only satisfied with one exact execution of one's music, record it and don't notate it; it's the only possible correct execution after all —...
by musicus
Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:12 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I think we are having a miscommunication here re staccato (very detached), legato (connected) and portamento (somewhere in between). Perhaps I am not understanding you. You draw a slur to cancel the effect of the staccato dot. But why draw either when you want neither legato or staccato? Without eit...
by musicus
Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:50 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

On second thought I agree with you.
zuill wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:46 pm
I would just put the notes with no markings and the indication "non legato". I know that staccatos with slurs has been used extensively for centuries.

Zuill
by musicus
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:49 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

That's a reasonable option. I think I lean towards the slur/dot combo because it "looks" softer in articulation, but no markings all seems a bit naked to me. But I see your point. I would just put the notes with no markings and the indication "non legato". I know that staccatos with slurs has been u...
by musicus
Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:46 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

There are many levels of "detached" in piano playing. Without the slurs it is staccato, very detached. Less detached - "portamento" - when there are slurs. You can see examples of this in Children's Corner (Debussy) - Serenade of the doll, meas. 1-2, and plenty of other examples. While not being a m...
by musicus
Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:55 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

I know that.
motet wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:49 pm
Djard wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:09 pm
IMHO, you would add a gliss. mark between each note for playback, since a true port. is not possible on piano (unless played at blinding speed).
"Portamento" has a different meaning for piano. It's not a glissando but rather semi-legato.
by musicus
Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:18 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

Re: portamento

Thanks but I am not referring to playback. Only referring to the printed score. IMHO, you would add a gliss. mark between each note for playback, since a true port. is not possible on piano (unless played at blinding speed). The slur terminating on Db indicates that the gliss ends smoothly. In the s...
by musicus
Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:14 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: portamento
Replies: 64
Views: 843

portamento

Sirs, Your advice, please, on how to best articulate the attached. I'm looking for a portamento style on the piano. All notes detached but not staccato. Which is preferable - the first 2 measures with one long slur, or the last 2 measures with the shorter slur. I prefer the first 2, just wanted to c...
by musicus
Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:26 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: oddball note
Replies: 8
Views: 163

Re: oddball note

You're right, I don't know how that happened.
zuill wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:17 am
The same measure in the upper staff also has too many beats (5) when the TS is 4/4. The last note should be changed to a quarter note.

Zuill
by musicus
Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:09 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: oddball note
Replies: 8
Views: 163

Re: oddball note

That didn't work. I had to tap 3x to the right to get to the culprit.
miker wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:35 pm
If you double click on that G half note, you should only need to tap the arrow once to get to the "spare" note.
by musicus
Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:00 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: oddball note
Replies: 8
Views: 163

Re: oddball note

Interesting. I tried it, and it sounded and placed a G at the beginning of the measure over the Eb. Then scrolling right I was able to delete the bad note. On the other hand, I clicked once on the G half-note, and the cursor moved back over the Eb w/o sounding, and then I was able to scroll right to...
by musicus
Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:43 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: oddball note
Replies: 8
Views: 163

Re: oddball note

Well, I am red color-blind but fortunately for me it turned blue not red. Ctrl-click didn't work but Opt-click did. Thanks, and Delete worked. With the Simple Entry tool, Ctrl-click near the end of the measure. The note should turn red. Press Delete (or Mac equivalent). In the future, make sure the ...
by musicus
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:53 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: oddball note
Replies: 8
Views: 163

oddball note

Hi. For some reason an odd note appears at the end of the 2nd line (between meas.7-8) in the lower staff.
How do I remove it? See attached.
by musicus
Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:31 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: voice-leading indicator
Replies: 11
Views: 266

Re: voice-leading indicator

I didn't know about the shift/drag. That helps a lot! Thanks. I'm not shure it's that finicky. In Smart shapes choose the Custom line subtool and ctrl-click it (in Windows): Smart line selection.PNG Then edit the line by unchecking 'horizontal'. Custom line edit.PNG If you hold shift and drag vertic...