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by John Ruggero
Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:41 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Engraving models
Replies: 28
Views: 6407

Re: Engraving models

Doesn't seem to like more than three examples in a post. Here is the last one:
extra long span.jpeg
by John Ruggero
Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:40 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Engraving models
Replies: 28
Views: 6407

Re: Engraving models

Here are my slur contour settings.
short span.jpeg
long span.jpeg
medium span.jpeg
by John Ruggero
Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:28 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Engraving models
Replies: 28
Views: 6407

Re: Engraving models

I agree about the imprecision, Anders, and use the standard way except for special cases, like very large compressed intervals, where it sometimes the only way to do it. Motet, I agree. It's nothing I've ever seen, since placing the articulation inside the tie, as one usually sees it, does the same ...
by John Ruggero
Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:46 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Engraving models
Replies: 28
Views: 6407

Re: Engraving models

To me it looks more correct to put the staccati outside the slur, when there's no slur+staccato articulation (portato-staccato) intended. If not the spacing in big downwards leaps forces you to put it inside on the second note. Slurs and staccati.PNG I've never seen it done that way, Anders. I have...
by John Ruggero
Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

You are right, Anders. Slightly smaller size notes are commonly used to solve spacing issues in piano music and pianists probably don't even notice. At least I didn't until I started doing it myself, although I've never gone down as much as 80%. I stay above about 90% and use it very rarely. See the...
by John Ruggero
Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:20 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Engraving models
Replies: 28
Views: 6407

Re: Engraving models

Looks great, Ian. That's a great way to learn about the various factors that produce good-looking engraving. There are settings to change the default shapes of the slurs that you could experiment with. Here are mine. They seem to work pretty well to avoid too much hand work. There's also slur contou...
by John Ruggero
Sat Oct 02, 2021 1:59 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: pedal symbol question
Replies: 2
Views: 683

Re: pedal symbol question

It's the one on the right for sure. Never saw the thing on the left. Looks like a something from an EKG.
by John Ruggero
Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:29 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

Very funny, Hector, thanks for the video!
by John Ruggero
Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:58 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

Someone once called it "leaking". Some of the feeling that should be going into the music, leaks out. In some cases though, it seems to be compensation for what't not going into the music.
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

There's a version where you just gesture with your head and the software turns the page. This constrains the emoting, which could be a good thing these days.
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:25 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Finale Dorico appearance comparison
Replies: 16
Views: 3298

Re: Finale Dorico appearance comparison

I think that differences may also have to do with various settings in both. Finale's slurs, once the tip thickness is increased, look much better than Dorico's. But Dorico's slurs can be made to look almost as good with various setting changes. Finale's line thickness settings are too thin for many ...
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:53 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

David, I would be less concerned about having the two scores identical in layout than having good turns, but that might be my PTSD. Of course, the publisher is going want one layout, and I would let that be the piano layout. In preparing my scores "ohne turner", I felt honor-bound never to leave out...
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:26 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

My distaste for page turners reached its height at the beginning of a performance of the Brahms Piano Quintet. The page turner turned the first page and the music slid off the music rack, down on top of my hands, and then down to the floor. I continued on, there was no noise in the recording, and no...
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:50 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Too many notes
Replies: 28
Views: 5347

Re: Too many notes

Hector, please try to incorporate good page turns. Not every page has to be filled, some can be empty, you can even have fold-out pages. Anything but a page-turner.
by John Ruggero
Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Piano L and R hands
Replies: 8
Views: 1697

Re: Piano L and R hands

Another possibility. I think that preserving the continuous beaming is important for immediate comprehension of the rhythm:
beaming example.jpeg
Or the beam could be centered, as mentioned previously.
by John Ruggero
Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:30 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Finale Dorico appearance comparison
Replies: 16
Views: 3298

Re: Finale Dorico appearance comparison

You are very welcome, Ian. I confess that I have a "thing" about the style of pedal indications that combine the ped. with the bracket, feeling that it combines the worst of both styles. I use bracket- only pedal indications in educational editions for intricate pedaling that has many quick changes ...
by John Ruggero
Sun Sep 26, 2021 10:51 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Finale Dorico appearance comparison
Replies: 16
Views: 3298

Re: Finale Dorico appearance comparison

For me the Dorico version is clearly superior, except that: 1. With Finale everything hinges on the settings. I suspect that if I were using mine, the initial result would be better. 2. Dorico's piano braces are unacceptable to me, and while they can be replaced with a glyph from another font, their...
by John Ruggero
Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:02 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Shouldn't flags be readable as well?
Replies: 12
Views: 2111

Re: Shouldn't flags be readable as well?

Just to verify what Motet said: Engraver "Flag spacing" is set at 24 EVPU's by default on my system (Mac) and is only correct at that setting.
by John Ruggero
Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:29 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: dead horse
Replies: 164
Views: 99996

Re: dead horse

First, thanks for the compliment back a few posts, Anders. We are so often on the same page. Second, my impression is that the developer's goal is for Dorico to do as much as it can automatically. They use a "semantic approach" and are trying to hardwire in the "rules" of "proper" music notation as ...
by John Ruggero
Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:18 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: Piano pedal question
Replies: 3
Views: 859

Re: Piano pedal question

Hector, the way you have it is the way it is normally handled. If you want the pedal to release on a rest, the pedal release appears below the grand staff directly below the rest. The rest can be in either hand or both. (See Beethoven Piano Sonata op. 57 third movement measure 5 and other measures l...
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: dead horse
Replies: 164
Views: 99996

Re: dead horse

Continuing my litany of things I love about Finale, disliked about Dorico during my two trials, and would hate to give up: I love Finale's layout system, and particularly the ability to move measures from one system to the next by using the arrow keys. I find this essential to be able to quickly com...
by John Ruggero
Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:17 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: dead horse
Replies: 164
Views: 99996

Re: dead horse

So, I love Finale even with all its flaws :) Aside from the flexibility that you mentioned, I love Finale's slurs. With just a little bit of adjustment of the settings one can produce the best-looking slurs in the business. I would have a hard time giving that up. Now if only the slurs could have m...
by John Ruggero
Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:23 pm
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: dead horse
Replies: 164
Views: 99996

Re: dead horse

John, given that the 'tools' in the side panels are entirely dependent upon what mode each window/tab is in, having them independently floating makes no sense. You can show or hide the side panels at the touch of a key; again per-window or tab. Why do you need to modify them? (Once you've learnt th...
by John Ruggero
Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:10 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: dead horse
Replies: 164
Views: 99996

Re: dead horse

Michel, by "workspace" I meant that one can't break Dorico up into one window for the score and have separate floating palettes for tools and such whose shape one can modify as needed, so that one can arrange everything conveniently on the monitors. So it felt like I was being forced to adapt to Dor...
by John Ruggero
Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:59 am
Forum: General Finale Help
Topic: dead horse
Replies: 164
Views: 99996

Re: dead horse

There are several such issues that prevent me from using Dorico.

But a bigger one for me is the inflexibility of the workspace as compared to Finale, since I often have multiple sources open simultaneously on two monitors as I work. Michel, do you feel comfortable with the Dorico workspace?