Undertie 2 syllables

[jose oscar]

I'd like to undertie 2 syllables en m. 2 : "na" & "y"

I'm doing:

Text menu/Insert symbol/275

but the result is not an undertie, but an under hyphen



I appreciate your answers


Finale 25.4/ Windows 10

tie 2 syllables for finaleforum.musx

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[Peter Thomsen]

I am not sure I understand.

You can tie two notes, but in this case there is only one note.

To attach the two syllables ‘na’ and ‘y’ to the same note, separate them by a non-breaking space character - instead of separating them by the normal, breaking, space character.

Windows text fonts have a “non-breaking space” in character slot #160.

Mac text fonts have a “non-breaking space” in character slot #202.

[jose oscar]

Thank you, Peter.
I edited my post just now to explain better

[motet]

The undertie, looking like a parenthesis on its back, is called a liaison character. I think Finale can do it. Look for it in the manual under that name.

[miker]

Elision, not liaison!

It’s a new character in F27. I don’t think it was in jo’s F25.

It can be entered as a font character. Type an upper case I (that's an I like in Input) where you want it, between the letters in the lyric. Then, select the I, and go to the text menu. (Yes, the Text menu will show, even though you are in the Lyrics tool.) Click on Character Settings... In the next window, choose Engraver Font Set. The I should change to an elision/undertie.

[jose oscar]

Thank you very much, miker,
I see the undertie on your file, but I don't get the route to import that symbol on my file.
Could you explain further, please?

[miker]

Under that C, enter the lyric as naIc (that's an upper case I, as in the word Insert.

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Select just that I. You can do it in either the score, or the Lyrics window.

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Don't change tools. In the text menu at the top, choose Font Settings...

In the next font Window, choose Engraver Font Set, and click OK.

[jose oscar]

Thank you very much indeed, miker,
I've got it.

The the route is:

1) Write "I" in the space between the 2 letters to undertie

2) Select "I" (in either the score, or the Lyrics window)

3) Text menu/Font/Engraver Font Set/Click

[miker]

That’s it!

[mcgough]

Hello, everyone. Did you face this situation where you did all this workaround quite successfully and then, having copied and pasted that very edited text in some other place of the score, Finale shows again the two words with the "I" in between?
Thanks you very much!

Here a screen cap of the phenomenon:

https://youtu.be/YHhsQ39_dSM

Saludos!

PS: By the way, this is my first post!

[motet]

Welcome.

Is the font in the target the same as in the source?

[mcgough]

Well, it is actually, and as a result of the procedure mentioned before, two fonts, the words are Finale Lyrics Font and the "undertie" is Engraver Font Set.
But yes, I am pasting in the same score the same combination of fonts. Which makes me wonder if Finale could keep two different fonts in a copied text?

Welcome.

Is the font in the target the same as in the source?

[motet]

I'm not much of a lyrics user though I have used it some. It seems kind of ancient and flakey. Look in the lyrics window and see if you find your undertied lyrics there. You may have to click-assign them again.

[mcgough]

Thank you. I know how to "re-replace" the capital "I" with the undertie one way or the other, I was just wondering if there was a way to not have to do everything again manually.

I wonder why Finale is still in that ancient era regarding lyrics.

I'm not much of a lyrics user though I have used it some. It seems kind of ancient and flakey. Look in the lyrics window and see if you find your undertied lyrics there. You may have to click-assign them again.

[miker]

I believe the new SMuFL Finale Lyrics font contains the undertie.

[mcgough]

Thank you!!!