May be kind of a dumb question, but here goes
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I love Finale, in all of its iterations (save 25, which I can't give a spin because I only have 32-bit Windows). It's very user-friendly, and good for what I need to use it for. But everything good in my life has a catch to it (I think that's true of everyone's lives, if we're being honest with ourselves)...
I have received documents created in Sibelius that are great in terms of use of space. The margins, staff spacing, etc., are flawless, but after obtaining it, I realized that the program itself is for those more experienced in music theory, and probably those working with a keyboard (I am not so adept at piano or theory). So, rather than learn a new program, I'd just like to get the same, clean look I prefer and replicate those specs in Finale.
Thing is, I don't know exactly how to do it. I've checked the user manual, followed the instructions in the Page Layout tab and so forth, but it's still not spot-on. Can anyone help? (I'm using Finale 2014.5 on a Windows OS, since it says to include that.)
I have received documents created in Sibelius that are great in terms of use of space. The margins, staff spacing, etc., are flawless, but after obtaining it, I realized that the program itself is for those more experienced in music theory, and probably those working with a keyboard (I am not so adept at piano or theory). So, rather than learn a new program, I'd just like to get the same, clean look I prefer and replicate those specs in Finale.
Thing is, I don't know exactly how to do it. I've checked the user manual, followed the instructions in the Page Layout tab and so forth, but it's still not spot-on. Can anyone help? (I'm using Finale 2014.5 on a Windows OS, since it says to include that.)
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Welcome to the forum!
Your question is a little unclear.
In order to give you the best possible help I think that we need some more info from you:
You tell that you are trying to get a “clean look”.
We need a more specific description.
1) Is your Finale document a 1-staff document - like e. g. for solo flute?
2) Does your document include “outside staff” elements, like e. g. lyrics, or chord symbols?
The better we understand, the better we can help.
Your question is a little unclear.
In order to give you the best possible help I think that we need some more info from you:
You tell that you are trying to get a “clean look”.
We need a more specific description.
1) Is your Finale document a 1-staff document - like e. g. for solo flute?
2) Does your document include “outside staff” elements, like e. g. lyrics, or chord symbols?
The better we understand, the better we can help.
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Thanks so much for the welcome! As for the request for more info, fair enough.
At present, I'm cleaning up a piano/vocal score for an original musical. Generally there's a grand staff, and a vocal line (sometimes more than one vocal line, depending on the needs of a musical sequence). However, I also occasionally work on full orchestral scores as well. It may include lyrics or chord symbols at times, but whatever I'm working on, it's generally not a 1-staff document.
I basically want to replicate all the page size, staff size, margins, distances between staves, etc., all the layout/formatting minutiae of a standard-issue Sibelius template, in a Finale document.
At present, I'm cleaning up a piano/vocal score for an original musical. Generally there's a grand staff, and a vocal line (sometimes more than one vocal line, depending on the needs of a musical sequence). However, I also occasionally work on full orchestral scores as well. It may include lyrics or chord symbols at times, but whatever I'm working on, it's generally not a 1-staff document.
I basically want to replicate all the page size, staff size, margins, distances between staves, etc., all the layout/formatting minutiae of a standard-issue Sibelius template, in a Finale document.
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“Received documents in Sibelius”
How? Do you have Sibelius? What version? Was it a MusicXML file?
How? Do you have Sibelius? What version? Was it a MusicXML file?
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In PDF form, but I had knowledge that Sibelius was used in the creation. I do have Sibelius, 7.5 (again, the very last version that was made for 32-bit ). I was given MusicXML files of the same score (or used PDFtoMusic Pro as necessary to reverse-engineer it), and it always wound up entering Finale looking more or less like the default settings for Finale.
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As Far As I Know, there is more than one “standard-issue” Sibelius template.lad_notorious wrote:… I basically want to replicate all the page size, staff size, margins, distances between staves, etc., all the layout/formatting minutiae of a standard-issue Sibelius template, in a Finale document.
Which means that we need more info.
If you attach a PDF file, just a single page, of the layout you are trying to replicate, then we might be able to suggest some Finale settings.
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Sounds about fair, though I think more perusing of the manual may have already solved my question. Should I pick one with just a grand staff, grand staff and single vocal line, grand staff and more than one vocal line - how much detail do you need?
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It may not matter.lad_notorious wrote:Sounds about fair, though I think more perusing of the manual may have already solved my question. Should I pick one with just a grand staff, grand staff and single vocal line, grand staff and more than one vocal line - how much detail do you need?
But just to “play it safe” let us say {Grand Staff and two vocal staves}.
A single PDF page will do.
I do not recall whether the file name extension .PDF is allowed for attachments here.
If not, then compress the PDF file, e. g. as a .ZIP file.
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Hope this does the trick!
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lad_notorious,
Since no one else has tried, here is my “shot at it”.
Try this template, and tell me what you think about it.
Since no one else has tried, here is my “shot at it”.
Try this template, and tell me what you think about it.
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Thank you for trying, Peter!
I loaded it in Finale 2014.5, and maybe I'm missing something, but where's the grand staff? I just see a treble clef line. Am I supposed to add elements and fine-tune accordingly? (I'm not asking out of disrespect, I genuinely wish to know.)
I loaded it in Finale 2014.5, and maybe I'm missing something, but where's the grand staff? I just see a treble clef line. Am I supposed to add elements and fine-tune accordingly? (I'm not asking out of disrespect, I genuinely wish to know.)
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Use the Staff Tool (or the ScoreManager’s chiclet Instrument List) to add as many staves/instruments as needed.lad_notorious wrote:… I loaded it in Finale 2014.5, and maybe I'm missing something, but where's the grand staff? I just see a treble clef line. Am I supposed to add elements and fine-tune accordingly? …
If playback is an issue, use the ScoreManager to choose the playback instruments.
Use the Staff Tool to create Staff Groups (with brackets) as needed (e. g. the staff group connecting the vocal staves).
See the two attached files where I have replicated the page layout from your attached sample page.
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