Strange system/page layout moves

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Post by gdgross » Thu May 09, 2019 2:34 pm

Hi all, I have a lead sheet I'm mostly finished, now just spacing the staves on the pages.

Sometimes when i highlight a measure to move it down to the next system, and then press the down arrow, finale moves it onto the next page, leaving a lot of blank space on the original page, which I don't want. Then when I try to highlight the measure on the now next page and move it back, finale won't let me.

Any ideas what's going on? I'm on v25 on mac os

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Post by miker » Thu May 09, 2019 2:35 pm

In page layout, check the system margins. You might need to tighten them up a bit.
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Post by gdgross » Fri May 10, 2019 3:46 am

Thx, margins are 0.5" all around... I've even tried copy and pasting the entire lead sheet into a new score, same behavior. FWIW, this lead sheet originally was from an xml that I created from pdf sheet of music, there were lots of weird text things and other stuff I had to delete and change. Not sure if that's related or not.

here's a vid of what it's doing: https://mega.nz/#!N2gUwSBC!0djecJ7WmqjL ... LmARPkjxm8
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 10, 2019 10:52 am

gdgross,

We need more info.

Hit ⌘, (= Command-comma), and go to
Preferences - Edit, the pane Automatic Settings

1) In the pop up menu Reflow Measures, what menu item is chosen?

2) What automatic settings have a check mark?
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Post by gdgross » Fri May 10, 2019 2:02 pm

Sure thing, here's a screenshot of that window

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Post by motet » Fri May 10, 2019 3:28 pm

Automatic Update Layout should always be on.

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Post by zuill » Fri May 10, 2019 3:32 pm

Documents converted from pdfs can introduce forced System and Page breaks, as well as Begin a New Staff System in the Measure Tool. Look for those as a possible cause of unwanted behavior.

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Post by miker » Fri May 10, 2019 3:53 pm

You might also try exporting as XML, and reimporting it.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 10, 2019 5:08 pm

Since {Automatic Update Layout} is off, you might discover something if you try a “manual” Update Layout on the document, while it is in its {before} state (as at the beginning of your video).

Utilities menu > Update Layout
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Post by gdgross » Sat May 11, 2019 5:18 am

THx guys.

The only thing that seemed to fix it was exporting as an xml and re importing. weird.
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Post by zuill » Sat May 11, 2019 5:33 am

That probably cleared all those locked systems that can mess things up. Once you get to know the program better, you'll know what's under the hood, and these things will be easier to fix. Exporting to xml and then reimporting has a certain level of loss, generally, but it seems, in your file, it worked.

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