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Eighth note

Post by Rachmaninov » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:44 pm

Hi,
Another problem for which I didn’t find any solution. By the way, is there a written user’s manual for finale ? I only found tutorials on the finale site under the title « user’s manual ».

How do you create a group of eighth notes connected together ? I need to write 5, 6 notes like that, and a group of 25 notes (in this last case, the rhythmic can’t be right, you just play on the piano a scale on two beats, a tempo)

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Re: Eighth note

Post by ttw » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:01 am

There are two ways. One is to set the time signature to something that behaves as you want it to do (and display the nominal time signature). I often write with 4/4 displayed but with 8/8 as the "real" signature to get the eighth notes connected.

Another method is to use the backslash key to connect two notes (eighth or smaller) with beams. It's a bit piecemeal but sometimes one can copy a measure and edit it. Some of the JW downloads (search for these and use them) help. JW has got lots of Finale scripts which do nice things.

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Re: Eighth note

Post by Michel R E » Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:08 am

while in Finale, press F1... this will give you the online manual.
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Re: Eighth note

Post by Rachmaninov » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:55 am

Problem not solved.

When I press F1 (macbook pro), nothing happens except the screen light settings. I really need a complete user manual, my problems are really basic and I’m already lost…

I can’t find the backslash on my keyboard.

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Re: Eighth note

Post by motet » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:11 am

The manual is accessible from the Help menu.

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Re: Eighth note

Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:17 am

Rachmaninov wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:55 am
… When I press F1 (macbook pro), nothing happens except the screen light settings. I really need a complete user manual, my problems are really basic and I’m already lost …
Try this (assuming that you are using Finale v26):
Help menu > User Manual

Rachmaninov wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:55 am
… I can’t find the backslash on my keyboard.
On an American computer keyboard you have the backslash painted on one of the keys.
I use a Danish keyboard which does not have the backslash painted on the “backslash key”.

No matter what computer keyboard you have, you can use the menu hierarchy instead:

Speedy Entry Tool.
Speedy menu > Speedy Edit Commands > Break/Join Beam

Simple Entry Tool.
Simple menu > Simple Edit Commands > Modify Entry > Break/Join Beam
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Re: Eighth note

Post by Michel R E » Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:23 am

ttw wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:01 am
There are two ways. One is to set the time signature to something that behaves as you want it to do (and display the nominal time signature). I often write with 4/4 displayed but with 8/8 as the "real" signature to get the eighth notes connected.
this doesn't seem logical.
using 8/8 as a time signature will give you 8 unbeamed 8th notes.
if you want all 8 notes beamed together then you have to make the time signature 1/1.

I just tried it, and 8/8 definitely gives unbeamed 8ths, while 1/1 beams ALL 8th notes in the measure together.

Simply using the default 4/4 gives you 8th notes beamed in groups of 4, as is usual.
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Re: Eighth note

Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:29 am

Michel R E wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:23 am
… Simply using the default 4/4 gives you 8th notes beamed in groups of 4, as is usual …
The document will Beam Four Eighths Together Common Time if - and only if - the option is selected in
Document Options - Beams

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Re: Eighth note

Post by michelp » Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:00 pm

P.S. : besides the on-line manual, there is a downloadable manual https://makemusic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ ... Finale-v26.
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Re: Eighth note

Post by Rachmaninov » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:48 am

I have still a problem with the writing of measures which do not respect the metrics. Here is an example of a Rachmaninov concerto. How can I write in finale a group of 5 notes like that :
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Re: Eighth note

Post by Peter Thomsen » Thu Jul 30, 2020 4:57 am

The time signature is 3/4 - right?

But then the “group of 5 notes” is just a quintuplet:
5 Sixteenths in the space of 4 Sixteenths

A such ‘-tuplet’ can be done in the Speedy Entry Tool as well as in the Simple Entry Tool - since both entry tools have a Tuplet (sub-)Tool, so that you can enter a tuplet without leaving the entry tool.


a) in the Speedy Entry Tool:
Option-5 (a 5:4 quintuplet …)
3 (… enters the first sixteenth, and defines the quintuplet as a quintuplet of sixteenths …)
3 (… enters the second sixteenth …)
3 (… enters the third sixteenth …)
3 (… enters the fourth sixteenth …)
3 (… enters the last sixteenth …)


b) in the Simple Entry Tool:
enter the first sixteenth
Option-9 (… opens the Simple Entry Tuplet Definition where you can specify the tuplet - click OK when you are done…)
enter the second sixteenth
enter the third sixteenth
enter the fourth sixteenth
enter the last sixteenth
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Re: Eighth note

Post by miker » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:28 pm

I would suggest that you start with simpler pieces. Although what you have shown is not difficult for an experienced user, it's not a good one to learn with!
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Re: Eighth note

Post by Rachmaninov » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:13 am

Everything works perfectly ! Thanks so much !

You're right, my music is not simple so I need advanced tools. Maybe I should train with simple existing scores, writting them in finale as an exercise.

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