Why are some notes shown out of range.
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View menu > Out-of-Range-Notes > here you can choose Off, Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced. It's (supposed to be) a guide to the players you are writing for, but many people have noted discrepancies.
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Do the notes not marked as out-of-range play back?
I don't have any audio units loaded, so I just use standard MIDI. Trombone plays back just fine.
Someone who uses GIFF will have to help you. Sorry.
I don't have any audio units loaded, so I just use standard MIDI. Trombone plays back just fine.
Someone who uses GIFF will have to help you. Sorry.
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- Michel R E
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what are you using for playback?
and don't say "Finale".
Within Finale you can choose to have playback through ordinary MIDI with awful sounds. or you can use the Garritan Instruments for Finale that come bundled with Finale. or you can spend a bit of money and buy other libraries that can give you wider ranges, or more choices, or better sounds.
Technically, the notes below the E are sort of "out of range" for a trombone. I believe that performers are capable of playing them, but since there is a bass trombone they are not usually part of the standard orchestral range of the tenor trombone.
Are you intending these notes to be played by a bass trombone? or a tenor? if the former then you might have to select the bass trombone option, if it is available, in the Garritan instruments.
and don't say "Finale".
Within Finale you can choose to have playback through ordinary MIDI with awful sounds. or you can use the Garritan Instruments for Finale that come bundled with Finale. or you can spend a bit of money and buy other libraries that can give you wider ranges, or more choices, or better sounds.
Technically, the notes below the E are sort of "out of range" for a trombone. I believe that performers are capable of playing them, but since there is a bass trombone they are not usually part of the standard orchestral range of the tenor trombone.
Are you intending these notes to be played by a bass trombone? or a tenor? if the former then you might have to select the bass trombone option, if it is available, in the Garritan instruments.
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Now using a mix of Finale 2012, Finale 25, and 26.1
GPO, Garritan Solo Stradivari violin, Gofriller Solo Cello.
XSamples Chamber Ensemble.
Absolute convert to NotePerformer3.
I am playing back on my laptop. Using Garritan Instruments. I am sorry if I am not verse in the proper language. But I have a vary limited knowledge in music. I am retired. I like to buy sheet music and put it in Finale to play back on laptop and my Yamaha DGX 660 keyboard. I just recently purchase a concert score to try. Mainly all I have done is piano. I hope this explains why I sound so newbie to this.
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Yes, a tenor trombone, which is probably what "trombone" is, can't play E-flat down to B-natural. (Most professonal players now have an F attachment that extends the range to include all those notes except the B-natural.)
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Some instruments have a long tuning slide on the F attachment that will temporarily convert the instrument to B flat/E, although that's less usual on tenor B flat/F instruments than it used to be, but normal on single valve bass trombones. Many (maybe most) pro-tenor players (at least in orchestral, opera and chamber music) posses both a B flat/F instrument and a ‘straight’ B flat one, but if they only use one will almost certainly use a B flat/F.
Pedal notes are a normal part of the regular technique and ought to be available for GIFF tenor trombone as should be the F attachment notes.
An oddity of the GIFF trombones is that the sound of the bass trombone is brighter and edgier than that of the tenor. The reality is usually the reverse.
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Why aren't the triggers always in E, actually? Then there wouldn't be the B-natural hole.David Ward wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:08 amSome instruments have a long tuning slide on the F attachment that will temporarily convert the instrument to B flat/E...
Several reasons...
- if the slide is always out, trombone cases would need to be much bigger, which would cost more. Or the F attachment would have to be wrapped around one more time which could cause space problems near the player's head. Each wrap-around costs tone control and tone brilliance
- all brass valves lower a pitch to a basic interval, like a half step, a whole step, a minor third (trumpet) or a perfect fourth. A brass valve lowering to an augmented fourth would be very unusual
- the F attachment's tuning slide can be tuned to lower either F to C or Bb to F, but not both, due to intonation problems. If it would be built to lower the Bb to E constantly, it would lower the F to B and you would loose the F->C option, for which the valve is used most of the time
- for the really low parts there are bass trombones, which are much more capable in that register - regardless how much the compromise "tenor trombone with F attachment" is enhanced
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