Making Hairpins Behave Like Music Notation

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filmcomposer
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Finale Version: 26.1.0.484
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Post by filmcomposer » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:01 pm

Whenever I insert a hairpin into Finale, it seems to overlap with its pre-inserted start and end dynamics.

Why is Finale not programmed to know that such overlaps are forbidden?

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I find myself having to waste time re-positioning hundreds of hairpins at every occurrence, when Finale should 'know' that a dynamic line comprises dynamic settings (p, pp, ff etc.) and those signs used to modulate those dynamics. - It's all part of the same, dynamic, information stream for the player.

Have I missed something? Is there a way to get Finale to place hairpins intelligently and musically?

Many thanks :)


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motet
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Post by motet » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:07 pm

That's the way it is, alas. Many of us have created macros, etc., to adjust the endpoints when there are dynamics present, but you can also buy the Perfect Laout plug-in, which will fix these and many other collisions.

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filmcomposer
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Post by filmcomposer » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:52 pm

Many thanks Motet.

This would seem like a priority fix for the next version of Finale.

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Jay Emmes
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Post by Jay Emmes » Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:02 am

Correct me when I'm wrong, but isn't that 'priority' since last century?
Running Finale 25.4.1.163 in OS X 10.11.6

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elbsound
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Post by elbsound » Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:52 am

Here is a demo of how Perfect Layout corrects your dynamic and hairpin placement in Finale:
https://elbsound.studio/perfect-layout/ ... e-demo.php
If you click on this link you can also control it, zoom in, download the PDF, etc.

Or look at this GIF of before/after Perfect Layout:
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Djard
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Post by Djard » Sat Feb 05, 2022 4:01 pm

I think it is unlikely MakeMusic will modify its policy of focusing on new features rather then fix old problems. Look at the Pause button: I don't believe it has ever been functional. But in all fairness to the company, v26.3 is far more stable than v2012. I also think Finale's aged GUI could use a face lift.

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