Tuplet ratio definitions

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Post by bopeuph » Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:59 pm

A client wants 9 sixteenth notes in the space of a half note. He wants to notate the ratio as "9:𝅗π…₯" (just imagine that half note looks more normal). In Finale, the options are number, X:Y, X:Yq, and Xq:Yq. Looks like X:Yq should be what I want, but it's displaying as 9π…˜π…₯𝅯 :𝅗π…₯

How can I get [number] to [note value]? The piece has a bunch of different rhythmic tuplets over two beats, and there was inconsistency with some simply saying '9', some were 10:8, etc. I suggested a more consistent system, and he suggested the number:half. In the past, I just made it as an expression, but it seems like the X:Yq is the intention here, but it's spitting out the same thing as Xq:Yq.


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Post by motet » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:11 pm

Looks like this was broken as far back as Finale 2005b, the oldest I have installed. Presumably it worked at some point, but you never know with Finale!

I guess I would resort to X:Y and add the half note as an expression. Here I've used 6-point EngraverTextT; the half note is slot 104 (Windows).
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Post by bopeuph » Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:44 pm

motet wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 17, 2024 4:11 pm
Presumably it worked at some point, but you never know with Finale!
Jeez, you got that right! I'll go with the expressions route. Thanks!

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Post by Anders Hedelin » Tue Jun 18, 2024 4:27 am

If you would hide the original tuplet definition and replace the whole of it with an expression (number, colon, note), it might be easier to place and also remain the same if the measure width changes.
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Post by bopeuph » Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:34 am

That's what I went with. Kinda annoying that this isn't an option in the tuplet tool, as it's not the first time I've dealt with it. I have a number of very avant-garde clients who like to do crazy things with their scores, and this is a comparatively tame need. Time consuming for even a four-bar phrase for this need (and this particular job had some 5, 7, 8, 9. and 10 to half tuplets he wanted notated like this), but it worked. Interestingly enough, find/paint worked very well on measures with the same rhythmic needs, which I expected to be buggy with alignments, if the expression even painted correctly at all.

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Post by engelbach » Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:23 pm

Looks like X:Yq should be what I want, but it's displaying as 9π…˜π…₯𝅯 :𝅗π…₯

It's not broken. Finale does this on X:Yq because the two notes are different. If both notes are the same the first number shows by itself.

Of course, this also adds the second number.

And none of this helps you.
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Post by motet » Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:33 pm

It does clear up the mystery, though, Jerry!

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat Jun 22, 2024 8:01 am

Actually it can be done.

But the workaround is time consuming.

See the two attached files.
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Post by bopeuph » Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:47 pm

engelbach wrote: ↑
Fri Jun 21, 2024 8:23 pm
Looks like X:Yq should be what I want, but it's displaying as 9π…˜π…₯𝅯 :𝅗π…₯

It's not broken. Finale does this on X:Yq because the two notes are different. If both notes are the same the first number shows by itself.

Of course, this also adds the second number.

And none of this helps you.
But shouldn't what you're saying be Xq:Yq, especially when the results are the same for both options?

E:Oh, I see now! Yeah, it definitely doesn't help me. :lol:

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Post by bopeuph » Sat Jun 22, 2024 3:21 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 22, 2024 8:01 am
Actually it can be done.

But the workaround is time consuming.

See the two attached files.
Yeah, that's pretty convoluted, too.

But what's pretty awesome about Finale is how many ways you can achieve the same result.

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