Aligning notes in separate layers

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Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by Blacklab88 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:31 pm

I'm sure there's an easy answer to this, but I can't find it. I have 2 layers in the upper staff of a piano score. The top layer is a melody line with the stems going up to separate the line from chords, also played by the RH, on a different layer with stems going down.
There's a passage where both layers are 8th notes for a few beats. I cannot get the upper layer/melody to stay put when I move them in "speedy" mode to make them easier to read. Any ideas appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by motet » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:02 pm

Try using Tools/Advanced Tools/Special Tools/Note Position Tool.

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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:26 pm

Blacklab88 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:31 pm
… There's a passage where both layers are 8th notes for a few beats. I cannot get the upper layer/melody to stay put when I move them in "speedy" mode to make them easier to read. …
If I understand you correctly:
when you move notes horizontally (not vertically), the notes will not stay put; Finale moves them back, right?

Whenever Finale does something by itself, without asking you for permission, it is time to toggle off some automatic feature.
In this case it is my guess that you should de-select “Automatic Music Spacing”.

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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by Blacklab88 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:36 pm

Thanks, all. Both of those posts were necessary to right the wrong.
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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:46 pm

There are two ways of correcting the horizontal placement of notes. With Special Tools' Note Position subtool, which applies to the current staff only, or with Measure Tool's Beat Chart, which affects the positioning in all staves occurring vertically. The latter needs you to have applied Music Spacing at first.

Generally it is a good idea to turn AMS off when starting to work on layout, and using Selection Tool + number 4 whenever you need Music Spacing applied.
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Post by zuill » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:01 pm

I have a completely opposite approach. I have AMS on all the time. After all the notes are entered, I then begin to fine tune spacing. Usually, AMS does 99% of my work for me. I also have Incorporate Manual Positioning select in Music Spacing (in Document Options). This handles most manual spacing needs. I then have a few tricks for the hard to handle spots.

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Post by motet » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:49 pm

I leave it on, too--big time saver over having to manually trigger it.

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Post by miker » Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:57 pm

I leave AMS on as long as I am doing initial entry, in Scroll view. After I go to page view for layout, I turn it off.

I guess everybody has a method that works for them.
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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by N Grossingink » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:24 pm

miker wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:57 pm
I leave AMS on as long as I am doing initial entry, in Scroll view. After I go to page view for layout, I turn it off.

I guess everybody has a method that works for them.
That's the way I roll, too.

Additionally, my preferred way to make manual spacing tweaks is with the Special Tools Note Position Tool, not with the "Beat Chart" handles. The Special Tools adjustments are permanent - the beat chart changes can be accidentally removed if music spacing is inadvertently applied (usually by the client receiving the completed files). The advantage to the beat chart method is that it moves beat positions up and down the measure stack, keeping everything aligned. Using the Special Tools requires adjustments to be manually copied to other staves. Robert Patterson's Mass Copy plugin makes this extra step quick and minimally painless.
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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by Peter Thomsen » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:14 pm

N Grossingink wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:24 pm
… the beat chart changes can be accidentally removed if music spacing is inadvertently applied (usually by the client receiving the completed files) …
To each his own.

I make statements upfront that the Finale document(s) will stay with me - the client gets PDF.
This also prevents that others will use my special default settings - instead of coming up with their own.
Not giving anyone your Finale documents is the only way to guarantee control.
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Re: Aligning notes in separate layers

Post by N Grossingink » Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:53 pm

Peter Thomsen wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:14 pm
N Grossingink wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:24 pm
… the beat chart changes can be accidentally removed if music spacing is inadvertently applied (usually by the client receiving the completed files) …
To each his own.

I make statements upfront that the Finale document(s) will stay with me - the client gets PDF.
This also prevents that others will use my special default settings - instead of coming up with their own.
Not giving anyone your Finale documents is the only way to guarantee control.
In my case, the special default settings are the client's own. They prefer Finale files so that last minute tweaks can be made in-house without having to wait for the engraver to do them.

So far as my own personal default Finale settings, I'm more than willing to send them to anyone interested. The hallmarks of my work, for better or worse, are the intangibles. Measure layout, page layout, spacing adjustment, placing of text and symbols. It has taken me years to develop what I consider a good balance among all of the many facets of music engraving for my specialty area (educational concert band, orchestra, jazz ensemble).
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