Fingering brackets for harp

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Fingering brackets for harp

Post by Peadar Mac » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:26 am

Is anyone aware of a tool in Finale for creating harp fingering brackets (or alternatively some kind of work around)? These brackets are much the same as the ‘double ended bracket’ found in the ‘Smart Shape Tools’ except that the angle of the horizontal portion of the bracket can be altered so that it does not have to default to being parallel to the lines of the staff (that is, in much the same way as the angle of note beams can be altered in Finale).

Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks — Peadar.

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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by miker » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:03 am

Go into the custom line dialog, duplicate the bracket you want, and edit it. Uncheck “keep horizontal” and you will be good to go.
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by Peadar Mac » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:47 am

Thank you, Miker, for your reply to my dilemma. I’m not sure whether I’ve gone by the route you’ve suggested or not. Here are the steps I took:
‘Option-clinking’ the ‘Custom Line Tool’ in the ‘Smart Shapes’ window brought up the ‘Smart Line Selection’ window. I duplicated the plain line option and clicking the ‘edit’ button brought up the ‘Smart Line Designer’ window. I edited the line by adding descending hooks at each end to form a bracket. I left the ‘Horizontal’ check-box unchecked so that the angle of the line could be altered.
The resulting tool is close to what I’m after except that whatever angle I set the line at, the ‘hooks’ are always set at 90 degrees to the line, whereas the effect I’m after has the ‘hooks’ set vertically, independent of the angle of the line (much the same as the angles of note beams can be altered while the note stems remain vertical).
I can’t find a setting in the ‘Smart Line Designer’ to overcome this problem.

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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by miker » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:05 am

the only thing I can think of is a couple of expressions. You can create them with lines. If you click the box to Allow Horizontal Stretching, you can even move them around, although too much change in the angle does strange things to the legs.

Try it, though. I surprised myself!
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:54 pm

Peadar Mac, can you post an image of what you want to achieve, with fingerings?
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by motet » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:36 pm

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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by miker » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:46 pm

We’ve tried that, Motet. He wants the hooks to remain vertical, not perpendicular to the line. That’s why I suggested the shape expression, instead. The drawback to that is that the length of the hook changes, as you move the angle or scaling of the shape. It can be worked around, by using a few different “starting” drawings.
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by motet » Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:51 pm

Ah, OK.

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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by Anders Hedelin » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:02 pm

Here's a workaround. I don't doubt that there might be better ones, but this is what came to mind:
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The bracket is defined like this in the tuplet definition window:
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The hooks may be elongated, remaining vertical, in the same tuplet definition window.
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by motet » Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:11 pm

Like this? I used a vertical line character for "Left Start" and "Right End" and fiddled with "Position."
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by miker » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:52 pm

I just drew the 3 lines in Shape Designer. Blow it up to 400 or even 800%, to get the verticals attached to the angled line.

But, as always, whatever works for you!
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by motet » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:54 pm

But if you have many to apply, woudn't that be tedious?

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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:26 pm

miker wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:52 pm
… I just drew the 3 lines in Shape Designer. Blow it up to 400 or even 800%, to get the verticals attached to the angled line …
In the Shape Designer there is also a Multiline Tool.

Use the Multiline Tool, and the 3 line segments will automatically be attached to each other.
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by motet » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:50 pm

But it sounds like Peadar wants to be able to adjust the angle and have the ends stay vertical (see the picture). I think my idea is the easiest--only one SmartShape needed (or two, if you want both up- and down-pointing versions).
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by miker » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:30 pm

My way does that, too. The only problem, like I said, is that if you change the angle too far, the hooks change length. That’s why I suggested a few of them, at various angles. Choose the closest one to what you need, and adjust from there. You only have to create them, once.
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Re: Fingering brackets for harp

Post by motet » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:08 pm

Ah. Somehow I thought you were suggesting applying three different lines each time. Seems good, then.

Here are the left and right positions for the Times-New-Roman-12-point | start and end character, for what it's worth. The one with the negative number is the left side.
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