Ossias: no slurs or hairpins

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Ossias: no slurs or hairpins

Post by michael graubart » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:41 pm

Finale 26. Mac, OS 10.14.3 (Mojave)

I am working on the score of a quartet for flute and strings. I have created a floating ossia of the viola and 'cello parts of one measure with alternative versions of some harmonics. In this ossia the slurs and hairpins (crescendi and diminuendi) entered in the main score are not shown. Is there anything I should have done or can do to repair this omission?

Thank you in anticipation of help.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:51 pm

This is a known limitation with the Ossia Tool.

Another way to create an Ossia - instead of using the Ossia Tool:

Add an extra staff to the Finale document, for displaying Ossia.
You can hide the extra staff where you do not need it.
You can resize the extra staff with the Resize Tool.
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Post by michael graubart » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:33 pm

Thank you so much for your amazingly quick reply. I have just tried your suggestion, but I cannot see how to make the added staff invisible where there are no notes in it. Sorry to impose further on your time.
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Post by motet » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:59 pm

From the Staff tool. select the staff in the systems where you want it hidden and pick Hide Empty Staves from the menu.

In the system with the ossia measure, you'll have to hide the empty measures on either side of it with the staff style "Force Hide Staff (Cutaway)".

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Post by miker » Thu Mar 14, 2019 7:01 pm

What Motet said!

In this example, I also reduced the ossia staff to 75%.
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Post by michael graubart » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:27 pm

Many thanks to both of you. I knew about hiding empty staves, but not about the 'cutaway' facility.
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Post by 814jazzer » Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:52 pm

Hi, all

I'm using the alternative method described here (Cutaway Staff Style) to create Ossia measures.

Slurs remain in whole measures. But, when I apply Cutaway to a partial measure, the slurs disappear from the remaining visible part of the measure.

Any workarounds or suggestions?

Finale 26. Had same issue in Finale 25.5. (Mac OSX 10.15)

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Post by motet » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:21 pm

Please post a picture of what you want.

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Post by 814jazzer » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:27 pm

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The first Ossia measure should have a slur from the G to the first E.

The second Ossia measure is correct.


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Post by motet » Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:57 pm

I had no trouble doing this:
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Post by 814jazzer » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:16 pm

Excellent!


Here's what I did:

. create ossia staff
. enter notes, slurs, etc
. reduce size of ossia staff
. apply Cutaway staff style to full and partial measures


Maybe you did some steps differently?
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Post by motet » Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:23 pm

You did something also to hide the barlines.

What you try to draw a slur in your ossia measure now?

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Post by 814jazzer » Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:24 pm

Correct, I un-checked display barlines.
But, so did you, evidently.

Also, I don't understand your recent question. (typo?)

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Post by motet » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:01 pm

I meant, go to the slur tool and draw a slur where you want it. Can you do that? There's no need to do it all before you resize the staff and cut-away, etc.

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Post by zuill » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:42 am

With some staff styles, slurs disappear when [ignore: using cutaway] selecting partial measures. If you could post the Finale file, we might be able to examine it. I use Beat Attached slurs when Note Attached slurs disappear.

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Post by motet » Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:47 am

What do you mean "with some staff styles"? Isn't "Force Hide Staff (Cutaway)" the staff style to use? That's what I used above (and used note-attached slurs).

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Post by zuill » Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:23 am

I edited my post. I meant "when selecting partial measures". I noticed a partial measure was selected in the posted picture.

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Post by motet » Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:38 am

Ah so. With Cutaway, cutting away the first part of the measure removes slurs from the rest, but cutting away the last part does not. The O.P cut away the last part, so I don't know why the slurs disappeared.
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Post by 814jazzer » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:03 pm

Geez, you guys...I've been using Finale since v 3.0 (1994, I believe), and was not aware of Beat-Attached slurs. Always something new...

Anyhow, Zuill, thanks for this tip — it's a good workaround (though, it'd be nice if the slurs would not do their disappearing act to begin with...)

And, many thanks to Motet for trying his/her darndest to help me figure this out. I appreciate all of you very much!

All my best from Pennsylvania,
/Rick
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