Is it not possible to turn off out of range notes for percussion?

[Tomas E]

Is it not possible to turn off out of range notes for percussion? I've turned it off but Gran Cassa is still yellow.

[motet]

It's yellow because no note exists at that position in your percussion layout. Nothing to do with the range check.

[Tomas E]

It's yellow because no note exists at that position in your percussion layout. Nothing to do with the range check.

Isn't that the same thing as if I play out of range?

[motet]

The last time I checked the bass drum has only one note.

[miker]

I think the “out of range” indications aren't valid with unpitched percussion. The staff position is dictated by the instrument chosen, rather than its sounding pitch.

That’s just my theory, and it may be total booshwah.

[motet]

Selecting View/Out-of-Range Notes has not effect on the coloring of mis-assigned percussion.

[Tomas E]

The last time I checked the bass drum has only one note.

Haha! Yes of course, but still; if Finale gives a note the Out-of-Range Color it suggests that it is interpreted by Finale as an Out-of-Range Note. And thus it should be possible to turn it on or off.

I'd love to hear what the support has to say but since my version is no longer supported I doubt that they will give me an answer.

[motet]

Again, out of range notes and a mis-assigned percussion note are two completely different things; all they share is the color Finale uses. The percussion note is an error which can and should be fixed rather than hidden--check the percussion layout for that staff. The error could prevent proper playback. Do you find you can't fix it?

The out-of-range note, on the other hand, is just a suggestion or warning, most useful for inexperienced composers, and the note may well be perfectly fine given the target orchestra, so, unlike the percussion note error, may be be a feature you want to turn off. I've seen complaints about it here over the years, so its usefulness may be limited.

[Tomas E]

I made a custom percussion layout since the MIDI note number for my instrument (Gran Cassa) is 36 (C1), and that note is black.(Unlike the Finale map where the standard note for the bass drum is 35, which is quite illogical if you ask me. But I guess it's because the kick drum is assigned to 36 and they share the same map. No need for that by the way, they could have made separate maps for those two from the beginning.)

But the thing is that if I want to use the 1-line staff I need to insert a MIDI no. 70 note, so that will end up on the line. It doesn't matter which instrument it is. This, in combination with that the note also turns yellowish makes it impossible to understand how this is supposed to work. My expectation was that with a 1-line staff, any note would automatically be placed on the line to ensure proper notation, and that this note therefore wouldn't be marked as an error.

However, if the yellow note on the line gets printed or exported it should look alright since I've hidden the C1 note. Haven't had time to try.

Here's what it looks like. (I'm going to change the yellow tied whole note to a tremolo but the midi note needs to be triggered long enough for the sample.)

Editing: Don't pay any attention to the name. I seem to be stuck with calling them both "out-of-range".

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[motet]

You must be doing something wrong.

Here I've created a custom percussion MIDI map which puts MIDI value 36 on the middle line. (Click on the picture to see it full resolution.)

If you're entering the note with a MIDI keyboard you would play this low C, which corresponds to MIDI 36.

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The percussion input map should be the same as the output map. If you want to be able to play some other note to enter your bass drum, you can create a custom input map so that input and output are different, but that's not necessary.

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[Tomas E]

This is strange. I changed the staff to Standard 5-line (no transposition as earlier), then it says F for the note that originally was MIDI 36. But if I enter a note (with my MIDI keyboard) after changing these parameters it goes to the low C and plays back correctly. And that B flat (MIDI 70) is way up in the air by the way. I think it's an E now.

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[Tomas E]

One other thing that makes it difficult to just re-enter the notes is that I need the roll to start at a specific point in order for it to end at the first beat. Its beginning is notated as a tuplet, but to make it land at the same spot if I just re-enter it, I'm not sure it will work. I haven't changed anything there from the original XML-file.

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[Tomas E]

Here I've created a custom percussion MIDI map which puts MIDI value 36 on the middle line. (Click on the picture to see it full resolution.)
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Thanks! I think I'm starting to get it now. It's not obvious how to make this just by poking around in the PLD.

[Tomas E]

It must be Staff Position 6 to make it go to the middle. It was set to zero.

I tried going back to Finale's Concert Bass Drum MIDI Map with the MIDI 35. Now it doesn't move back to the wrong place. It's as if the change I made with my own MIDI Map has frozen into the staff. Let's hope this is the last post I need to do.

[motet]

I think I'm starting to get it now. It's not obvious how to make this just by poking around in the PLD.

I think it's true you can't learn Finale just by trying things out. The user manual is far from perfect, but it's a start. It was a year or more before I felt proficient, and I'm still learning new things to this day.

Here's a video on percussion by Jason Laffredo, and he's got lots more videos on his website. He seems to know his stuff and the videos tend to be pretty thorough.

https://www.conqueringfinale.com/pulverizing-percussion

[Tomas E]

Great! Thanks!

[Tomas E]

Now I'm back where I started. I made a new list so that I would get all three sounds from that patch in it, on keys 36, 38 and 40. After clicking OK the note jumped down to the position in the picture, nice and shiny in yellow. And despite that I've changed back the layout to the one you see, it won't move. Why did it work the other day but not now? The Staff Position is set to 6 as you can see. This is what I set it to in my own list as well. I'm ready to give up soon.

[motet]

Sounds like changed the percussion layout after you had entered the note(s)? Does it happen with new notes?

[Tomas E]

Sounds like changed the percussion layout after you had entered the note(s)? Does it happen with new notes?

You're right! I recreated that custom list whereafter the notes jumped. But I only needed to replace them by using Speedy Edit's standard procedure. That is I put the cursor on the beat, held down the 36 key and pressed ENTER. Then it jumped back to the line. Phew!

Thanks again!

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Worth to mention: If I press the numeric 7 for a whole note instead of ENTER, it won't move.