stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

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stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by snail22 » Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:51 pm

This has always irked me... I don't see why the 16th notes on the middle staff need to be uneven just because there's a sharp in the upper part. Is there any option to prevent this?
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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by miker » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:42 pm

Because the notes should line up, vertically. If one staff requires extra space for the accidentals, then that spacing needs to be followed. You may not like it, but that’s the way it is.
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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by N Grossingink » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:32 pm

As Mike said, this is expected behavior in well engraved music.

That being said, I sometimes fix things like this manually, using the Note Position Tool on the Special Tools palette. I do it very sparingly, only then the example is particularly obnoxious and there are very few instances. Another way to fix it is to loosen the spacing so there are less measures per system - wider measures will have more room for the spacing to even out.

My advice - finish the input of the score, arrange the page layout, and decide whether you want to fix a few spots.
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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by snail22 » Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:40 pm

I had the idea in my head that professionally-engraved scores wouldn't exhibit this behavior... but I checked and quickly discovered I was wrong! So I should probably let it go. Glad that there's the option to manually adjust individual notes but maybe not worth the trouble.

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Post by miker » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:59 pm

Right. As N said, do it very sparingly, if at all.

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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by bkshepard » Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:23 pm

Keep in mind that if those are separate parts, there won't be a space in the middle part when they are separated.

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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by Hector Pascal » Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:39 am

In a really busy score with lots of grace notes and hemidemisemiquavers etc., and wanting 2 bars per system, I occasionally resorted to editing the spacing using the note spacing tool to fix collisions, however I was a little taken aback when I noticed that upon extraction (yes, I'm an extractor), individual parts retained the tool's edits even after applying fresh music spacing. The solution was to using the note spacing tool to delete the note spacing tool edits. I wonder if there is a quick way of removing note spacing tool edits (because applying music spacing doesn't seem to do that)?
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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by Peter Thomsen » Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:36 pm

Hector Pascal wrote:
Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:39 am
… I wonder if there is a quick way of removing note spacing tool edits (because applying music spacing doesn't seem to do that)? …
What are the Music Spacing settings the Finale document? (Document menu > Document Options - Music Spacing)
I suspect that the culprit is the setting for Manual Positioning.

Try setting
Manual Positioning
to
Clear
and see whether that helps.
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Re: stop making room for accidentals in other parts?

Post by Hector Pascal » Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:56 am

Thanks very much, Peter. I checked in the Document Options>Music Spacing and it is set to "Ignore". I guess that's the default, as I don't remember finger poking that! Anyway, I'll remember that screen when it happens next time and try the "clear" option. Cheers and thanks again,
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