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Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:27 pm
by Progman
i respaced by note space and pressed update layout but it did not fix the wrong align and jaxtaposed. Then i deleted the notes and added them back again and finale decided to align correctly and superimpose:
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How do i tell Finale to align and superimpose existing notes without deleting and adding back? Like the two C notes on the top staff here (bar 2) as well:
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Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:42 pm
by Peter Thomsen
Progman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 6:27 pm
… How do I tell Finale to align and superimpose existing notes without deleting and adding back? …
The culprit is the Music Spacing.
My guess is that Automatic Music Spacing is toggled
on in the Preferences.
A single change in the Document Options will make Music Spacing clear all “non-default” spacing:
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:18 pm
by Progman
Manual positioning is on ignore. Changed to clear but the two C notes were the same, juxtaposed. Changed it back to ignore, deleted the bar and added back notes and Finale superimposed them, at least it works for new notes:
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Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 2:50 am
by Peter Thomsen
Progman wrote: ↑Sat Mar 26, 2022 7:18 pm
Manual positioning is on ignore. Changed to clear but the two C notes were the same, juxtaposed …
Automatic Music Spacing is on - right?
It sounds like you did not Apply Music Spacing.
Automatic Music Spacing does not “do its thing” if you merely change a setting in Document Options - it only does its thing when you enter music.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:30 pm
by Progman
Yes, Automatic with minimum distance between: 0.04167
I did not change any document settings. Is this ok?
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 12:43 pm
by Peter Thomsen
I am sorry, I did not explain myself well.
You wrote:
“… Changed to Clear but the two C notes were the same, juxtaposed …”
What I meant, was:
Changing the setting for Manual Positioning to ‘Clear’ will not take effect until Music Spacing is applied.
In Other Words:
First change the setting for Manual Positioning to ‘Clear’.
Next, you must - manually - Apply Music Spacing. *)
Now the two C notes will be properly aligned and superimposed.
*) Automatic Music Spacing will not kick in at this step, and “automatically” apply the Music Spacing for you - since you only changed a setting in the Document Options.
Automatic Music Spacing will only kick in when you enter music.
It will not kick in when you merely change the Document Options.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 3:01 pm
by ebiggs1
Enter notes in Layer 1 and 2, Ctrl+4, Ctrl+U. Make the F in layer 1 a half note and hide the rest. All from Speedy and the keyboard.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:18 pm
by Progman
@Peter Thomsen
Thanks for the clarification. Done.
@ebiggs1
How come in your example it completely vanishes the rest after the F but when i press H in simple (or in speedy) it only grays out the rest?
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:22 pm
by Peter Thomsen
This is what I get - without any rests, neither hidden nor showing:
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:31 pm
by michelp
Progman wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 5:18 pm
How come in your example it completely vanishes the rest after the F but when i press H in simple (or in speedy) it only grays out the rest?
View menu -> Show -> Hidden Notes and rests (uncheck it).
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:09 pm
by miker
Progman/ wrote:
How come in your example it completely vanishes the rest after the F but when i press H in simple (or in speedy) it only grays out the rest?
Probably because it’s a screenshot of a PDF. The greyed out (hidden) notes or rests don’t show in the printout or PDF. You can control how dark or light they appear in the Finale doc in the Program Preferences.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:29 pm
by ebiggs1
This is what I get - without any rests, neither hidden nor showing:
You might show the OP the steps?
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:21 pm
by Peter Thomsen
ebiggs1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 2:29 pm
… You might show the OP the steps? …
There are no secrets in this.
1) I just filled each layer with notes (a total duration of 6 quarters - only notes, no rests).
Treble clef, Layer 1: half - 8th - 8th - dotted half = 6 quarters
Treble clef, Layer 2: quarter - 8th - 8th - 8th - 8th - dotted half = 6 quarters
Bass clef, Layer 1: dotted quarter - 8th - quarter - quarter - half = 6 quarters
Bass clef, Layer 2: half - half - half = 6 quarters
2) I have already explained the settings for Music Spacing.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:47 pm
by Progman
Thanks for the explanation ^^
I feel more confidence using finale without breaking my head (or the keyboard
) thanks to the answers here.
1. How do you enter fingerings? Using the expression tool, I edited 1-5 default key bindings for 1-5 fingerings (moved 1-5 default key bindings to 79-83). Is this the best solution to enter fingerings? Is there other way to enter fingering without loosing 1-5 default expression tool key bindings?
2. When i try to enter fingering in other piece i'm writing, i notice that finale did not remember my edited fingerings key binding from the other piece. How to set it globally?
3. Is it possible to cut and paste certain notes from one layer to another? In a lot of bars like in this one, before i knew how to use layers, i wrote all voices in layer 1, i want the bottom voice in the top staff and the bass line in the bottom staff to be in layer 2.
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Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:26 pm
by ebiggs1
There are no secrets in this.
Right, Peter, no secrets to you and I but to someone asking how, it is a secret. Steps are always nice for that person.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:33 pm
by ebiggs1
Your fingerings settings are specific to that document. When you open a new document or any other Finale document it gets its set which is the Finale default. You need to save the set you modify as a library and load it in the new document.
You will save it as a library and give it a unique name. Than open the new, or other document, and load that specific library.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:46 pm
by ebiggs1
Is it possible to cut and paste certain notes from one layer to another?
Yes it is.
You just need to make use of the layers control features. You must use Show Active Layer Only in the Document's tab. This makes it possible to edit one layer without editing any other layer. Simply copy and paste. You may have to correct stems.
A worthwhile plug-in for this type work is JW Polyphony.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:07 pm
by motet
See also Move/Copy Layers on the Edit menu. If you want to copy from one layer on one staff to a different layer on another staff, you have to copy to the same layer first, then move it with that. Sometimes a scratch staff is handy.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pm
by Progman
1. I saved library with shape expressions checked, loaded in the other piece, but now it sorted 1-5 with no key bindings, how to fix?
2. When i try to copy the bottom voices, in the top staff it only highlight the whole staff. How to copy bottom voices in the top staff and the bass line in the bottom staff without the top voices in the top staff?
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:52 pm
by Peter Thomsen
Progman,
You are not talking “Finale-speak”.
If I misunderstand you, then I apologize.
Progman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pm
… I saved library with shape expressions checked, loaded in the other piece, but now it sorted 1-5 with no key bindings, how to fix? …
I suppose that you by your words
“key bindings” mean metatools - right?
Expression metatools are document specific.
They are not saved in expression libraries.
Hence metatools are not loaded when a library is loaded.
This avoids that a library overwrites a document’s already existing metatools.
Fix:
1) To program the metatools in a specific document, open the Finale document, switch to the Expression Tool, hold down Shift, and hit the key you want to program as trigger key (e. g. the number 1 key).
Finale will display the Expression Selection where you can choose the expression for your new metatool (e. g. the expression with fingering number 1).
Repeat this procedure for each metatool.
To avoid loading libraries and programming metatools in all new documents, load the libraries, and program the metatools, in the template you use for new documents.
Progman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pm
… 2. When i try to copy the bottom voices, in the top staff it only highlight the whole staff. How to copy bottom voices in the top staff and the bass line in the bottom staff without the top voices in the top staff?
I suppose that you are talking about layers, and how to copy only one layer - right?
Fix:
Document menu > Show Active Layer Only
Show Active Layer Only also means Edit Active Layer Only.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:30 pm
by ebiggs1
To avoid loading libraries and programming metatools in all new documents, load the libraries, and program the metatools, in the template you use for new documents.
This is a great idea and something I use a lot. I would even suggest making this "default template" exactly how you will use it, then save it normally as a .musx file. You can save more things in the file this way like the full instruments with an arbitrary number of measures and measure number positions, rehearsal marks, fonts or whatever and do simple edits as you need. I have about a dozen of these so-called "template files" saved as .musx files and ready to go.
In Finale speak voices can refer to the voices inside a layer. We are assuming you are referring to the lower pitches in your example. As we assume “key bindings” refers to the meta key assignments to specific items in Finale. In Finale there's almost nothing that can't be done. The trick is to figure out how.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:08 pm
by Anders Hedelin
Progman wrote: ↑Thu Mar 24, 2022 11:33 am
2. How to create keyboard shortcut to call the simple entry tool and any other tool for that matter?
This was asked in the first post on this thread. Possibly the innate feature to program keys for tools was overlooked. Anyway, I didn't notice it was mentioned.
Select a tool, press Shift+any of function keys F2-F12. After that, simply press the assigned function key to select the tool. (For some strange reason the F keys 10 and 12 do not work on my computer, but there are still 9 left - more or less enough for me.)
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:34 pm
by motet
I believe those are document-specific, though (I could be wrong). I use the TG Tools Menu Shortcuts, which are not.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:47 am
by miker
On the Mac, you can program keyboard shortcuts for either the OS, or for a particular program. Here are about half of the ones I use.
Re: Couple of questions
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:01 pm
by Progman
Peter Thomsen wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:52 pm
Progman,
You are not talking “Finale-speak”.
If I misunderstand you, then I apologize.
Progman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pm
… I saved library with shape expressions checked, loaded in the other piece, but now it sorted 1-5 with no key bindings, how to fix? …
I suppose that you by your words
“key bindings” mean metatools - right?
Expression metatools are document specific.
They are not saved in expression libraries.
Hence metatools are not loaded when a library is loaded.
This avoids that a library overwrites a document’s already existing metatools.
Fix:
1) To program the metatools in a specific document, open the Finale document, switch to the Expression Tool, hold down Shift, and hit the key you want to program as trigger key (e. g. the number 1 key).
Finale will display the Expression Selection where you can choose the expression for your new metatool (e. g. the expression with fingering number 1).
Repeat this procedure for each metatool.
To avoid loading libraries and programming metatools in all new documents, load the libraries, and program the metatools, in the template you use for new documents.
Progman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pm
… 2. When i try to copy the bottom voices, in the top staff it only highlight the whole staff. How to copy bottom voices in the top staff and the bass line in the bottom staff without the top voices in the top staff?
I suppose that you are talking about layers, and how to copy only one layer - right?
Fix:
Document menu > Show Active Layer Only
Show Active Layer Only also means Edit Active Layer Only.
1.Yes, i will try to speak in finale terms.
2. I mean, how to copy ONLY the bottom voice in the right hand (A F A F E F E F) and the bass line in the left hand (D E), from layer 1 to layer 2.
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