Connecting the stems of the notes even if punctuated by paus

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Frank
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Post by Frank » Wed May 09, 2012 10:22 am

How do I connect with the final 2010 in the stems of the notes even if punctuated by pauses?

Mean, in the case of semiquavers, have one of the two line common to all the notes and the second dedicated line to the note itself and in the middle of the pauses.

... I hope it is clear

Thanks in advance


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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed May 09, 2012 10:47 am

I am not sure I understand?

It sounds like you have a beam group of 16th notes with rests, and you want to extend the secondary beam across the rests.
See the screen shot.
2ndaryBeam.gif
Extend 2ndary Beam Over Rests
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Is that what you mean?
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Post by Frank » Wed May 09, 2012 12:25 pm

Yes, better yet something like the image I have attached ... but already able to do something like your example would be great.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Wed May 09, 2012 1:19 pm

1) To get the beaming in my example:

Document Options - Beams
Select the options "Extend Beams Over Rests" and "Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests".



2) To get the beaming in your example:

A. Do as in 1), but don't select "Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests".
Now the beaming looks like this:
2ndaryBeamA.gif
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B. To break the secondary beam between the first two notes, switch to the Special Tools Tool, and click the sub-tool Secondary Beam Break Tool.
Click inside the staff/measure to make handles appear on the 16th notes.
To break the secondary beam between the first two notes, double-click the handle on the rightmost note of the two.
Select "Break Through" "16th", and click OK.
Now the beaming looks like this:
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Post by Frank » Wed May 09, 2012 1:58 pm

Thanks :D

I wil try ;)

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Post by Frank » Thu May 10, 2012 2:06 pm

Ok, I tried and I enclose the best result I got: (

I would add a ban premise, I just need some points in the score and I wish you could do something that crosses multiple bars and movements of the same

Thanks
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Post by Frank » Thu May 10, 2012 2:46 pm

I understand how to do, I do not work merely a tool to change the length of the stems is to create more geometric and linear designs.
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Post by Frank » Thu May 10, 2012 2:53 pm

I understand the problem, in the suggested configuration
Peter Thomsen wrote: Document Options - Beams
Select the options "Extend Beams Over Rests" and "Extend Secondary Beams Over Rests".

I can not change the length of the stems of sixteenth notes: (

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Post by Peter Thomsen » Thu May 10, 2012 4:33 pm

Frank wrote:I understand how to do, I do not work merely a tool to change the length of the stems is to create more geometric and linear designs.
Take a look at the attached Finale 2010 .mus document.
Beamed16ths.mus.zip
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Is that what you mean by your words "more geometric and linear"?

You can adjust the stem length of beamed notes via
Special Tools Tool > Beam Angle Tool

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Post by Frank » Thu May 10, 2012 8:50 pm

Now thanks to you I can do everything except what is in the attach file, excuse the handwriting.

Can you try on your last example file?
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Post by miker » Thu May 10, 2012 11:03 pm

Go to the Finale Knowledge Base http://makemusic.custhelp.com/app/answers/list and do a search for Beam Over Barlines.
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Thu May 10, 2012 11:38 pm

Take a look at the attached Finale 2010 .mus document:
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The tools I used, are two sub-tools in the Special Tools Tool:
Beam Extension Tool
and
Broken Beam Tool (used to flip the "beam stub")
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Post by Frank » Fri May 11, 2012 7:38 am

Thanks peter, you're a real guru.

Now I study your example, I hope to do it ...

Thanks for everything

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Post by Frank » Fri May 11, 2012 8:45 am

I realize what I'm poor :(

Just can not use the Broken Beam Tool (used to flip the "beam stub"). I can only select the beam but does not modified stub :(

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Post by Frank » Fri May 11, 2012 9:26 am

As suggested, I also watched the help, mmhmm

Could you explain step by step how I can convert the attached example?
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Fri May 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Here is a way to do it:

1) Document Options - Beams.
Select the option "Extend Beams Over Rests".
De-select "Allow Rests To Float".

2) Join the beam between all the entries inside the same measure.
(Simple menu > Simple Edit Commands > Modify Entry > Break/Join Beam

3) Now the beams should be flat (= horizontal).
If they are not flat, make them flat.
You can make flat beams in several ways:
- Globally for the entire document, via Document Options - Beams: Beaming Style: Flatten All Beams
- Locally for all the measures in a staff, via the Staff Attributes
- Locally for a region in a staff, via a staff style
- Individually, via the Simple Entry Tool: Simple menu > Simple Edit Commands > Modify Entry > Flat Beam (or via the Speedy Entry Tool)

4) Use the Beam Extension Tool to extend the beams to the barline - and a little longer so that there is an "overlap" between the two measures.

5) If necessary, use the Beam Angle Tool to adjust the stem length so that the overlapping beams have the same vertical position.
Tip: View the score at a high zoom percentage.
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