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Post by musicus » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:27 pm

On the attached file I want to put a G-sharp in parentheses after the F-sharp trill to indicate that the trill is F-sharp to G-sharp. What's the simplest way to do this? I can't seem to find the solution. Thanks.
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Post by motet » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:34 pm

I would just use the tr# articulation. A trill is only ever to the note above, so "G#" is not necessary.

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Post by David Ward » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:44 pm

motet wrote:… … A trill is only ever to the note above… ….
Not necessarily: there are plenty of examples of downward trills in music from the 1950s onwards (and some from far earlier). Although a grace note followed by a standard trill might be thought of as serving just as well (and is nowadays my preferred notation for such a thing), there is a logic in showing the harmony (or otherwise main) note as the one from which the trill goes, whether it is a step below or a step above the note to which it trills.
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Post by Michel R E » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:58 pm

In the posted example, the trill very well could be to a G natural. It's not guaranteed to be a G# since there is no key signature and nothing in the measure really indicates that a G# is required.

I prefer to use a smartshape line, with the trill and its accidental as a text at the beginning of the line.
I always have trill-natural, trill-sharp, and trill-flat pre-defined.
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Post by motet » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:01 pm

David Ward wrote:there are plenty of examples of downward trills in music from the 1950s onwards (and some from far earlier)
I'm speaking of standard notation. "tr" means the note above, and if that not is not sharp, you can add a # to the right of or above the tr. Not necessary to indicate G#, even in modern music, I don't think.

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Post by musicus » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:05 pm

Sorry, but I don't see a tr# in the articulation panel.
motet wrote:I would just use the tr# articulation. A trill is only ever to the note above, so "G#" is not necessary.

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Post by motet » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:46 pm

After the tr articulation should be tr-flat, tr#, and tr-natural. There is also a tr# smart shape. Ctrl-click the custom line tool.

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Post by musicus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:36 am

Ah, good. The symbol is very tiny in the articulation panel, so I didn't see it. But as you can see from the attached file, the # is above the tr sign. Crowding. Is there any way to place the # to the right of the tr sign?
motet wrote:After the tr articulation should be tr-flat, tr#, and tr-natural. There is also a tr# smart shape. Ctrl-click the custom line tool.
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Post by motet » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:47 am

Yeah, they fixed the tiny display in later versions of Finale.

If you want to move the sharp and you're brave you can edit the shape with the arcane shape designer but it's not for the faint-hearted.

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Post by musicus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:32 am

Do you mean the articulation designer?

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Post by motet » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:39 am

In the Articulation Designer the articulation itself can be a character in a font, or a shape--Finale jargon for an object that can be made of of multiple lines, rectangles, circles, curves, characters, etc. For the trill in question, tr#, has the tr symbol and the # symbol. Shapes have their own designer. If you want to tackle this, I suggest duplicating the existing tr# articulation and editing the duplicate. Once in the Articulation Designer click Symbols/Main, duplicate the shape, pick the new one, and edit that. Now you're in the Shape Designer, a kind of paint program. First you have to select everything--Ctrl-A--then pick Ungroup from the ShapeDesigner menu. Now you can drag the # in line with the tr. When you have it like you want it, Select All again and pick Group from the menu and you're done.

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Post by musicus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:34 pm

Thanks, motet! It worked. You took the time to go through a full explanation and I appreciate that. Many thanks!

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Post by motet » Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:18 pm

Glad it worked out. You're now inducted into the Shape Brotherhood.

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