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Post by OCTO » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:30 am

Hello everyone here too!!
Glad to see some old folks here.

A question. I want to convert double 16-rhythm into single 8 rhythm.
I can use JW plugin change to convert every even Note into the Rest: NNNN into NRNR.
Is there any tool to convert NR into N, without the rest (to minimize the rests)?

Thanks!
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Post by zuill » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:32 am

TGTools has a tool for that.

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Post by OCTO » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:46 am

Thank you, but which?
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Post by David Ward » Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:54 am

OCTO wrote:Thank you, but which?
Full TGTools>Modify Rests>Simplify. I've just tried it and it works!
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Post by BuonTempi » Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:35 am

It might even be possible using some high magic in the MIDI Tool.

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Post by OCTO » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:02 am

David Ward wrote:
OCTO wrote:Thank you, but which?
Full TGTools>Modify Rests>Simplify. I've just tried it and it works!
Thanks, I just installed an evaluation.
I face a problem here.
All entries that are enharmonicized (F# to Gb) return back to default. That is a huge problem since I have almost in all measures fixed the wrong spelled notes. And I have about 150 measures, and 17 instruments.
So when I hit GO, the rests are removed but my pitches are also spelled back. I am not sure why "removing rests" also affects pitches.
BuonTempi wrote:It might even be possible using some high magic in the MIDI Tool.
Would be great to be illuminated.
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Post by Lothar Ochmann » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:52 am

All entries that are enharmonicized (F# to Gb) return back to default.
And to use TGTools -> Change -> Pitches or JW Change pitches after that? Could this be a solution of your problem?
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Post by OCTO » Sat Jan 21, 2017 11:43 am

Lothar Ochmann wrote:
All entries that are enharmonicized (F# to Gb) return back to default.
And to use TGTools -> Change -> Pitches or JW Change pitches after that? Could this be a solution of your problem?
Unfortunately not, they are not constant.

OK; still any solution to convert two 16 into one 8?
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Post by Lothar Ochmann » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:35 pm

OK; still any solution to convert two 16 into one 8?
Sorry, no :cry:
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Post by BuonTempi » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:56 pm

You could reduce the Quantisation value to 8ths, and then Retranscribe. (But remember that Retranscribing removes articulations, lyrics, etc.)

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Post by Christopher Smith » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:59 pm

BuonTempi wrote:You could reduce the Quantisation value to 8ths, and then Retranscribe. (But remember that Retranscribing removes articulations, lyrics, etc.)
That could work! Because he could keep the original file, and use it to copy the articulations/lyrics, etc., back again! Well spotted!
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Post by Lothar Ochmann » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:25 pm

You could reduce the Quantisation value to 8ths, and then Retranscribe.
And: All entries that are enharmonicized (F# to Gb) return back to default. :lol:
This was the main unsolved problem.
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Post by BuonTempi » Sat Jan 21, 2017 2:48 pm

Then revise the Spelling table to fit your music better.

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Post by zuill » Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:01 pm

Since I am not getting the enharmonic change problem, it has to be a different setting in your file or setup. May we see a sample that does this? If that can easily be solved, then you should be good to go.

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Post by David Ward » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:32 pm

OCTO, I think you use Simple Entry(?), so my further experiment with the TGTools modify rests plug-in is not conclusively relevant. However, I have discovered a specific problem with the plug-in following earlier use of the number 9 key to make enharmonic changes. If, while in Speedy, I change a note enharmonicly by dragging it and then adding the appropriate accidental, it remains after applying the TGTools plug-in. If however, I use the '9' shortcut to make the enharmonic change, it reverts. Yet another instability relating to the use of '9' it would seem.

EDIT: I can confirm that the problem does seem to be directly connected to the method used when making the enharmonic change rather than to some other setting. When applying the plug-in, irrational Es sharp 'corrected' by keying '9' in Speedy to F revert to E sharp after applying the plug-in, while Fs irrationally changed via '9' to Es sharp revert to F - all in the same bar in a single stave test file with no other music. On the other hand, notes entered from the start as either E sharp or F, or subsequently changed by dragging and adding or removing the accidental are not changed by the plug-in.
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Post by N Grossingink » Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:32 pm

Would freezing the accidentals on the forced enharmonic notes force the desired spelling to stick? JW Change will freeze accidentals all in one go.

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Post by David Ward » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:04 pm

Applying JW change freeze accidentals seems to remove altogether those accidentals that were added or changed through keying '9' to make enharmonic alterations. Enharmonic changes made by other means (in Speedy) seem unaffected.
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Post by OCTO » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:52 pm

David Ward wrote:Applying JW change freeze accidentals seems to remove altogether those accidentals that were added or changed through keying '9' to make enharmonic alterations. Enharmonic changes made by other means (in Speedy) seem unaffected.
Thanks for the experiment. Yes, I use Simple entry and change enharmonic by that tool. So you say that using Speedy makes these notes fixed? I will test it. I never use Speedy.
BuonTempi wrote:Then revise the Spelling table to fit your music better.
As said, that is not possible, it is not fixed in the entire music.
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Post by zuill » Sat Jan 21, 2017 9:38 pm

If we could examine just a sample file, we could check settings and confirm options. We are all stabbing in the dark here.

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Post by Tobias Giesen » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:14 pm

Hello,
apparently Finale's plug-in API function to remove entries also does respelling. Maybe it is dependent on some of Finale's Preferences, but in any case I will add a workaround to the next TGTools update this week to avoid the respelling. It will be TGTools V3 beta 9, only for Finale 25 at this time. When TGTools V3 is finished, I intend to make a 2014.5 version too.

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Post by miker » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:28 am

Tobias,
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Post by Tobias Giesen » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:22 am

The new TGTools version 3 beta 9 is now on my web site, which fixes the enharmonic respelling with Simplify Rests and other plug-ins that delete entries. It includes some other bug fixes as well.

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Post by David Ward » Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:47 pm

Thank you Tobias. I will download this later.
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Post by OCTO » Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:43 pm

Tobias Giesen wrote:The new TGTools version 3 beta 9 is now on my web site, which fixes the enharmonic respelling with Simplify Rests and other plug-ins that delete entries. It includes some other bug fixes as well.
Great, thank you Tobias.
Unfortunately I use 2014.5 so I cannot test it, but I am glad that you responded and fixed it quickly. We appreciate your high professionalism.
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Post by michelp » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:27 am

FYI, I see that Beta 10 is available on Tobias' site (PC & Mac).
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