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12/8 Rests

Post by ry1633 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:10 pm

Hello,

I just imported an XML file of a different leadsheet into a default Finale template. It's in 12/8 time and I have the time signature set correction to be in dotted quarters. But I want the rests to be in dotted quarters also instead of quarter and eighth rests. Is there a way I can change this in a global setting or something?
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Post by Peter Thomsen » Thu Jan 26, 2017 9:15 pm

Take a look at
MIDI/Audio menu > Quantization Settings > More Settings…
What are the settings in the pane Rests?
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Post by ry1633 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:14 pm

Here are my rest settings
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Post by michelp » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:22 pm

Check "Allow dotted rests in compound meters".
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Post by Charles Lawrence » Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:28 pm

If you set "Allow dotted rests in compound meters", set the time signature to 12/8 showing 4 dotted quarter notes, not 12 eighth notes, select the measures, and "Utilities->Rebar->Rebar Music", you will get almost what you want. Two patterns of quarter rest + eighth rest, together, as in your example will yield a dotted half rest, however.

Oops :oops: Previously "measures" should have been "meters".
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Post by ry1633 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:27 am

I'd like to be able to get dotted-quarter note rests

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Post by michelp » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:02 am

We understood that. If the suggestions don't work, you could post the file (or an excerpt).
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Post by ry1633 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:56 pm

I will have to post the file tonight when I get home. I tried all of your suggestions with the time sig set correctly, rebar music etc. Still leaves me with quarter and eighth rests.

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Post by Charles Lawrence » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:24 pm

ry1633 wrote:I'd like to be able to get dotted-quarter note rests
Then you are missing something, probably the key signature. There are several ways to get a 12/8. Choose 12/8 with a beat duration of 4 dotted quarters, NOT 12/8 with a beat duration of 12 eight notes. When you rebar, be sure you have selected the measures you want to rebar.

The procedure I described will get you dotted quarter rests, but if two dotted quarter rests are together, it will further process those into a dotted half rest. I don't know of a way to stop it. The easiest workaround would be to just reenter those rests that are dotted halves. Here are a few suggestions. There are many variations. If you use Simple entry with a mouse, you can select a quarter rest from the palette, enter it, and add a dot. Or select a quarter note from the palette, enter it, change it to a rest with R, then add a dot. Or select a quarter rest from the palette add the dot from the palette, and click in the dotted quarter rest. You can use the NUMPAD instead of the palette to select notes/rests. If you use Speedy entry, no MIDI keyboard, you can press CTRL-SHIFT-4 and then a dot. Or you could enter a quarter note with 4 then R to change it to a rest then add the dot. There are other ways to get the notes entered. For instance using Simple with QWERTY keyboard, or using Simple/Speedy with a MIDI keyboard. One could write a doctoral thesis on the subject. :lol:

Hope this helps
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Re: 12/8 Rests

Post by ry1633 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:27 pm

I'll try it. I have about 3 pages of them to change so manually doing it is gonna take a little time. I wish it would have come in correctly from the import, but sometimes we can't be so lucky. :)

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Post by N Grossingink » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:30 pm

In 12/8, a dotted half rest on beats 1 and 2, or 3 and 4, is correct notation. This rest should not straddle the middle of the measure, so on beats 2 and 3 it would be dotted quarter rest/dotted quarter rest.

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Post by Charles Lawrence » Fri Jan 27, 2017 3:45 pm

N,
Style wise, you are correct, but unfortunately Finale did not read the style books. It will form a dotted half rest on beats 1, 2, or 3, in 12/8. How would you form a dotted half on beat 4 :?: That would over fill the measure.

ry1633,
See the additional notes I made on my previous post.
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Re: 12/8 Rests

Post by N Grossingink » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:27 pm

Charles Lawrence wrote:How would you form a dotted half on beat 4 :?: That would over fill the measure.
My reply might have been a tad unclear. I probably should have written "a dotted half rest encompassing beats 1 and 2, or beats 3 and 4".

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Re: 12/8 Rests

Post by Charles Lawrence » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:50 pm

N Grossingink wrote:
Charles Lawrence wrote:How would you form a dotted half on beat 4 :?: That would over fill the measure.
My reply might have been a tad unclear. I probably should have written "a dotted half rest encompassing beats 1 and 2, or beats 3 and 4".

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Ahh! In that light, it is clear now. Thanks.
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